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    Disagree with adding suppression/gas systems all over the place.<br>
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    I suspect a lesson-learnt should be to not mix network equipment
    rooms with general office-type rooms in the same building, or at
    least the same air-circulation environment.<br>
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    In general, there is very little to burn or cause fire to spread in
    a equipment hosting environment - racks and concrete floors don't
    burn, cabling is often 'plenum grade' which means difficult to get
    burning and won't keep burning when the heat is removed. In a
    datacentre equipment room Its usually better to have no fire
    suppression system, but lots of heat/smoke detection to get an alarm
    triggered, plus some portable extinguishers near the door for people
    to use. A sprinkler system (even a dry-pipe system) fired off
    because of some smoke from a blown power supply or fried
    printed-circuit-board in a single rack would cause more damage to
    the rest of the equipment in the room than if the rack was left to
    smoulder for a while.<br>
    I'm fine with the exchange equipment spaces having VESDA systems,
    and no suppression, just like this Warrnambool exchange.<br>
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    This fire started in or above an office room, filled with paper,
    boxes, wooden furniture, etc - a very different type of fish from a
    suite of humming steel equipment racks. The network damage was to
    melted cabling which was run over the office room, plus smoke damage
    to the equipment hosting space as the A/C and open fire doors
    allowed smoke through to the equipment spaces. While its not listed
    in the report, I'll bet the VESDA system was only monitoring the
    equipment spaces, so by the time the smoke drifted through to
    trigger it, the office room was already well ablaze.<br>
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    In office spaces with lots of flammable material, absolutely have
    fire suppression. In equipment rooms, don't.<br>
    And between the two - don't allow them to share air circulation
    systems, and keep the bloody doors shut.<br>
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          <div>Certainly the legislation doesn't compel telstra todo
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:41 AM,
              Matthew Moyle-Croft <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au"
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                <div dir="ltr">It's more complex than that - a lot of
                  POIs are, in fact, Telstra exchanges. So we may in
                  fact need Telstra to install fire suppression not
                  NBNCo or we'll still lose (one O) a POI in future ...<span
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                      <div>MMC</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at
                        4:34 PM, Jake Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                            <div>I imagine with the benefit of hindsight
                              they are now doing a cost/benefit on each
                              exchange and seeing if its worth putting
                              in.<br>
                              Its probably cheaper for them to loose
                              service for a while and fix it rather than
                              put eleventy million halon systems in.<br>
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                              I do hope NBNco is doing a lessons learnt
                              from this though, their concentration
                              feels like its going to be much higher,
                              loosing a POI for a couple of weeks would
                              be a "bad thing".<br>
                              I wonder at what point in the network it
                              would be feasible to slap a
                              wireless/satellite/whatever on top of a
                              box and replace the POI (at a reduced
                              rate) until the POI is back up.
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                                  On 02/04/13 02:29, Tom Storey wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">No, but cant say I was
                                    particularly looking for them. I
                                    suppose I kind of assumed there
                                    might be something like a gas based
                                    system in there though. I mean,
                                    theres a lot of expensive gear,
                                    you'd think you'd want to avoid
                                    damaging it, and/or losing the
                                    building. Imagine if they had to
                                    rebuild, the outage would have
                                    lasted months, instead of the weeks
                                    they managed to restore service in.
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                                    <div>Ignorance aside, and apart from
                                      the obvious "it would cost a shit
                                      load to add it to them all", are
                                      there any particular reasons why
                                      major regional
                                      exchanges wouldn't have fire
                                      suppression?</div>
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                                    <div>To me it seems that places like
                                      Warrnambool and sites with similar
                                      significance (the ones Telstra
                                      refer to as KTPs) could probably
                                      benefit from some kind of
                                      suppression. These events might be
                                      rare, but they have a big impact
                                      when they happen.</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">On 31 March
                                      2013 23:46, Mark Newton <span
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                                              On 30/03/2013, at 6:19,
                                              Tom Storey <<a
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                                                <p dir="ltr">Is it just
                                                  me, or are there zero
                                                  mentions of fire
                                                  suppression systems?</p>
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                                          There were unlikely to be
                                          any. 
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                                          <div>You've been in country
                                            telephone exchanges before.
                                            Do you recall ever seeing a
                                            sprinkler head?<span><font
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