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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have just asked the question internally, if our dialup is delivered over fibre who owns the fibre. However at a $500,000 install fee for our usual ISP to deliver the connection the cost is unreasonable for what the site has to deliver. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James Troy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Intelematics Australia : connected mobility</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Systems Administrator<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>250 Swan Street, Richmond, VIC 3121</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Main: +61 3 8415 9000</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Fax: +61 3 8415 9001 </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>e: <a href="mailto:jtroy@intelematics.com.au">jtroy@intelematics.com.au</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>w: <a href="http://www.intelematics.com.au/">www.intelematics.com.au</a> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#47423A'>and </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><a href="http://www.sunatraffic.com.au/"><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>www.sunatraffic.com.au</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:gray'>**This message and any attachment are confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to which it is addressed and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please telephone or email the sender and delete the message and any attachment from your system. It is your responsibility to scan this communication and any files attached for computer viruses and other defects.**</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jeffrey Sims [mailto:jeffy@tehintartubes.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 5 March 2013 9:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> James Troy<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] internet connection in a difficult location<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Correct me if I'm wrong here, but if you can't get fibre, why not go a fibre based connection?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Especially if there is no copper, up there they probably all use microwave links because of the exact scenarios you provided.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:01 PM, James Troy <<a href="mailto:James.Troy@intelematics.com" target="_blank">James.Troy@intelematics.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> I am hoping to draw on the expertise of this list, we have a site that until today has been running on a dialup connection that had a static IP address. This was working fine and was sufficient for our needs however as of today our provider EOL the product we were on an to change to another provider for dialup is quite frankly painful. The history of the site (<span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333;background:white'>ATV-10 Tower Ornata Road MT DANDENONG) </span><span style='color:#333333;background:white'>is that it suffers from multiple lightning strikes a year and lightning rods don’t always take the full hit. In fact the last major hit it had melted the copper MDF and thus it was decided that the copper would not be replaced.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'>Until today our dialup line has been delivered over a fibre connection, however I want to move away from this setup mainly because of how unreliable dialup is becoming (try to buy a v.92 modem quickly these days) </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'>We had a cable connection priced up and the install alone was $500,000 and entirely unfeasible. Due to the lack of copper so is any DSL based tech. the only options I can see is a 3G connection (signal strength wont be an issue being next to the tower) however I was hoping for a fixed line solution. Can anyone else think of another way of getting a reliable, “always on” connection that will support us running a VPN over it?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'>FYI microwave and other wireless tech’s have also been looked at but the install cost is once again unfeasible.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#333333;background:white'>Perhaps if any providers already have a fibre connection to the site and can deliver I would love to hear from you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>James Troy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Intelematics Australia : connected mobility</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Systems Administrator</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>250 Swan Street, Richmond, VIC 3121</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Main: <a href="tel:%2B61%203%208415%209000" target="_blank">+61 3 8415 9000</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>Fax: <a href="tel:%2B61%203%208415%209001" target="_blank">+61 3 8415 9001</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>e: <a href="mailto:jtroy@intelematics.com.au" target="_blank">jtroy@intelematics.com.au</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>w: <a href="http://www.intelematics.com.au/" target="_blank">www.intelematics.com.au</a> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#47423A'>and </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'><a href="http://www.sunatraffic.com.au/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:7.5pt'>www.sunatraffic.com.au</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:gray'>**This message and any attachment are confidential to the ordinary user of the email address to which it is addressed and may contain copyright and/or legally privileged information. 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