<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Sorry wasn't meant to come out like that, and I have NO idea WHY Skeeve even brought me into something like this about employment and outsourcing and not supporting un-developed countries.</div>
<div><br></div><div>So I'm just going to leave it at that and get back to my beer!</div><div><br></div><div><br>Regards,<div><br></div><div>Jared Hirst</div><div>Servers Australia Pty Ltd</div><div>Phone: 1300 788 862</div>
<div>Direct: (02) 4307 4205</div><div>E-mail: <a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a></div></div><div><br>On 04/03/2013, at 12:07 AM, Tim March <<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com">march.tim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
  
  
    <br>
    When you punters aren't busy engaging in prodigious levels of
    philanthropy do either of you play the piano? Because you can both
    type pretty well with one hand on your d..k =)<br>
    <br>
    We've probably covered just about everything we're going to cover on
    the IPv6 front... unless you guys actually want to pull out a ruler?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    T.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/03/13 11:25 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:-4281801815493607065@unknownmsgid" type="cite">
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
        charset=ISO-8859-1">
      <div>Just to clarify on your comment Skeeve, I own Astraea
        Networks, I don't just outsource there. So I do get my hands
        dirty and support / make a change to a developing country. Is
        that enough to satisfy you?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>If James is setting up IN-NIC then that would be amazing, as
        would some education in ip allocations there etc. as it
        certainly is needed, as said before be allocation they give out
        for a DSL is unbelievable. <br>
        <br>
        Regards,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Jared Hirst</div>
        <div>Servers Australia Pty Ltd</div>
        <div>Phone: 1300 788 862</div>
        <div>Direct: (02) 4307 4205</div>
        <div>E-mail: <a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a></div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        On 03/03/2013, at 11:03 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div>Jared,
          <div>
            <br>
          </div>
          <div>My point was not what you do or don't do... but your
            attitude is screaming 'me me me'.  Lots of people here use
            outsourced staff from developing nations (it's not called
            Third World anymore), so it is nothing amazing.  You pay
            people to do a job.  Sure, they might live well, but what
            are you doing to change India itself? What are you doing to
            change the future and make things better?</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I know a lot of the guys involved in the ISP scene in
            India... I know quite reasonably what is going on over
            there... and so do other people who have invested the time,
            like James Spenceley who has a tonne of dealing with them,
            especially over the last couple of years in their fight to
            setup their own IN-NIC.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I am not someone who normally tells people what I do to
            affect change overseas, but I was accused of not caring
            about the developing world, when nothing is further from the
            truth.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>
            I'm here, arguing for the developing nations... and that the
            lower APNIC fees will help them... you are only talking
            about yourself, and how you are affected and that one of the
            solutions should be that fees are raised.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I am not targeting you in my comments here... It is for
            anyone who can't get past their own self and needs and think
            about the wider community.  Those who can't see that
            policies affect everyone differently, and that the 'needs of
            the many', often outweigh the needs of the entitled few.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>My view in relation to Internet Governance and Resources
            Policy is that I don't really care what rich entitled
            nations like Australia need right now.  I care about
            developing nations where the lives of hundreds of millions
            will be affected over the next few years of massive internet
            growth.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>If you do come to APNIC meetings, or do join APNIC SIG
            Policy, you better come with a perspective of what is best
            for the whole community - just just your little corner.  If
            you don't, you will experience dozens of nations who will
            come back at you with force.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>To clarify.  I am not saying that Jared, Bevan, or anyone
            else isn't doing enough to help the world in any way.  Mine
            is a calling... something that blends my skills, beliefs and
            life aims..  It isn't for everyone.  What annoys me is when
            people only seem to argue for themselves without considering
            those who are far far less fortunate.<br clear="all">
            <div>
              <div><br>
                ...Skeeve</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>
                <div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve
                    Stevens - </b><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego
                    Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><font>
                      <p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">
                        Phone: 1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; <a>skype://skeeve</a></p>
                      <p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </p>

                      <p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ;
                        blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a></p>
                      <p style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px"><img src="http://eintellegonetworks.com/logos/ein09.png"><br>
                      </p>
                      <p style="margin:0px"><span style="color:rgb(127,0,127);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:13px">The
                          Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p>
                    </font></div>
                  <div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(127,0,127)"><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">Juniper
                      - Cisco </span><span style="color:rgb(0,32,96);font-size:13px">- Cloud</span></div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:17 PM,
              Jared Hirst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Skeeve,</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                        have 30, yes 30 staff in Kochin India down in
                        Kerala with my outsourcing company (<a href="http://astraeanetworks.com" target="_blank">astraeanetworks.com</a>), a
                        THIRD world country, how dare you judge me based
                        on not even knowing me. So I should say WHAT THE
                        HELL ARE YOU DOING?? You only have 7 staff….I
                        have 30, pick up your game?</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                        like you have trained them in networking,
                        design, hosting management and many many other
                        things that the western wordd has and they they
                        can only dream of ever learning. I have sent
                        them equipment and also pay DOUBLE the average
                        wage so that their family can eat and sleep at
                        night. I also provide a nice office as I am sure
                        you have seen on my facebook, I provide them
                        with training, trips to Aus and materials that
                        they will NEVER get from anyone in their
                        country. Is that enough to satisfy you?</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">India
                        has a truck load of IP’s and I know this first
                        hand because I have a standard business DSL in
                        my apartment there (yes I go there every 3
                        months to see them, train them and give them
                        help and assistance) and it came with a standard
                        allocation of a /28, so again mis-allocation and
                        training is causing the shortage. They are NOT
                        aware of the shortage and even worse they were
                        not aware of IPv6 till we got there and provided
                        training and equipment for v6.. So keep your
                        smart arse comments to yourself, I have said the
                        WHOLE TIME I am not fighting for me, I can
                        afford space if I need it. I am fighting for the
                        likes of SMALL business that make up a massive
                        portion of Australia’s businesses and ISP’s,
                        those are the ones that cannot afford to just go
                        and pay $10 -$16 / IP and I am saying that it
                        would be good IF they could get from APNIC.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I
                        am truly surprised that you have totally judged
                        me this way and done it on a public list, I now
                        know why so many people don’t post here, it’s
                        like being thrown into a den of tigers. You
                        should be ashamed mate. Next time read my past
                        emails and get the story right before having a
                        go at someone.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                      <p class="MsoNormal">
                        <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                          <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
                          [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 03, 2013 10:04 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Joshua D'Alton<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv4</span></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">
                       </p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Because, like most people, he
                      is thinking only about himself and how hard done
                      he is being done by.</p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I far more care about
                        developing nations... look at India.  About 20
                        million internet users... and hoping to get to
                        100 million in the next two years.  Users in
                        China having to 're-connect' to try and get a
                        real IP address. How the hell are they going to
                        make it happen?  But do you know what... they
                        WILL, and without too much whinging.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">This is akin you you
                        complaining you don't have enough to eat when
                        people are starving overseas.  Really? Get over
                        yourself and suck it up princess.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">You have SO much more
                        potential and ability to come up with creative
                        and innovative solutions to deal with these
                        situations compared to dozens of other countries
                        who are struggling with sub-standard
                        infrastructure. You can afford the equipment and
                        expertise they can only dream of.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I have 7 engineers in
                        Cambodia who work for me.  They live, learn and
                        work on Australia/Western quality networks. I've
                        trained them up to be the best engineers in the
                        country. Under my direction, they also donate
                        time in Cambodia helping KHNOG get started, help
                        ISOC-KH happen, involved in Barcamps, do
                        training for free at schools like Passerelles
                        Numeriques (<a href="http://www.passerellesnumeriques.org/cambodge/" target="_blank">http://www.passerellesnumeriques.org/cambodge/</a>)
                        who train orphans and the poor into becoming
                        engineers (I've hired 4 of them!).  I've shipped
                        dozens of peices of equipment to the country to
                        donate to local Cisco training schools and other
                        places. I also allocate my staffs time to
                        helping engineers at all the ISPs in Cambodia
                        get better at what they do - because they very
                        little options to learn how.</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal">I HELP the developing world
                        better its infrastructure... I've put my effort
                        and my money where my mouth is - What the hell
                        do you do Jared? Or for that matter, you Bevan,
                        whose squillions could make a HUGE difference...
                        or is there things you've been doing that I
                        don't know?  I don't have much, but I give a
                        lot... how many people here have a lot and don't
                        even give a cent?!</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        SERIOUSLY?!</p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
                      </p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                            ...Skeeve</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">
                              <b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve
                                  Stevens - </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellego
                                Networks Pty Ltd</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span></p>

                              <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phone:
                                  1300 239 038; Cell +61 (0)414 753 383
                                  ; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a></span></p>
                              <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">
                                <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> </span></p>

                              <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ;
                                  blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a></span></p>
                              <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><~WRD266.jpg></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""></span></p>

                              <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f">The
                                  Experts Who The Experts Call</span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Juniper
                                  - Cisco - Cloud</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7f007f"></span></p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> </p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:48
                          PM, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>>
                          wrote:</p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">It was depleted
                          over 5 years ago.. Why do you think you
                          deserve space any more than they do? I'd argue
                          using IPs for cheap VPS etc is almost as bad
                          as having the IPs routed but not actually past
                          the gateway. In both cases were the cost
                          $10/IP/mo neither business would be that
                          wasteful, or they'd just be on v6.</p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at
                            9:40 PM, Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>>
                            wrote:</p>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">
                                <span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">+1
                                  to this!</span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As
                                    I said before, I only came into the
                                    industry 3 years ago for IP space
                                    and now I am suffering because
                                    others are ‘nesting’ on it rather
                                    than handing it back, it’s a shame
                                    that so many people have the
                                    attitude to just ‘shun’ people like
                                    me that are young, have a successful
                                    business and did not have the chance
                                    to get more space before it was
                                    ‘depleted’ to other larger providers
                                    or other providers that didn’t
                                    really need space but got it anyway.
                                    I was not trying to rant before and
                                    people really took me out of context
                                    and smashed me for no reason, so I
                                    am glad someone has put it in a nice
                                    long email to be clear. Thanks
                                    Bevan!</span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
                                        </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve
                                        Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
                                        <b>Date: </b>Sunday, 3 March
                                        2013 8:04 PM<br>
                                        <b>To: </b>Nathan Brookfield
                                        <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>><br>
                                        <b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>"
                                        <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
                                        <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG]
                                        IPv4<br>
                                        <b>Resent-From: </b>Bevan
                                        Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan.slattery@nextdc.com" target="_blank">bevan.slattery@nextdc.com</a>></span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"Basically
                                      yes.  But get over it." </span></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sorry
                                        Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful
                                        attitude.  Many on this list
                                        seems to think "we're so
                                        freakin' smart we went ahead and
                                        gorged ourselves on IP addresses
                                        to the detriment of the global
                                        community and now we are making
                                        a motza from it.  Sucks to be
                                        you for not seeing this coming".</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Well
                                        here's the news flash – everyone
                                        who thinks themselves soooo
                                        clever and smug are frankly
                                        obtuse and their level of
                                        arrogance disgusts me.  You
                                        think everyone without IPv4
                                        space has only themselves to
                                        blame – remarks that seem to be
                                        coming from middle aged people
                                        working for providers greater
                                        than 5 years old in a developed
                                        economy who have been in the
                                        industry for years.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So
                                        Skeeve and others, I'd like to
                                        go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or
                                        Somalia and tell them that they
                                        have no address space and sucks
                                        to be them because they were too
                                        stupid not to see the IPv4
                                        coming. Disregard that it's
                                        mainly because they were too
                                        busy fighting a war, trying to
                                        find food for their family or
                                        too busy walking kilometres to
                                        go to a mud hut with a chalk
                                        board for a "iPad" 5 years ago.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Or
                                        how about you go visit people in
                                        China and India who have
                                        2,000,000,000 people trying to
                                        lift themselves out of some of
                                        the lowest wages ever and
                                        despite being so desperate to
                                        get connected to the internet to
                                        find their way to "freedom" and
                                        information – yes – freedom and
                                        information you know that thing
                                        the internet provides (?) and
                                        let them know they've despite
                                        having 1/3 of the worlds
                                        population you're getting
                                        shafted because the Shinhwa news
                                        agency didn't let them know
                                        there was an IPv4 crunch coming.
                                         Dare you to put an ad in the
                                        paper and invite all those
                                        Chinese people to who can't
                                        connect to come down the "the
                                        square" to talk to you about why
                                        they can't.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">While
                                        you're at it, go into a tech
                                        incubator or anyone who is in
                                        their late teens/early 20's who
                                        dare to do what we do and start
                                        an ISP and tell them "sucks to
                                        be you – I've effectively lied
                                        my ass off to APNIC and the
                                        other RIR's to get my hands on a
                                        life supply of IPv4 and relied
                                        on their pathetic IPv4
                                        management systems to starve
                                        your hard earned start up
                                        dollars and your future while I
                                        make huge $$ because I have no
                                        conscience! ".</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So
                                        the plan seems to be "we're
                                        going to screw the youth/up and
                                        coming countries and developing
                                        countries and sell our IP's to
                                        them and IPv6 isn't going to get
                                        traction until they are bleeding
                                        out of their noses and they die
                                        on the floor.  Sanctioned
                                        extortion effectively.  We're
                                        putting a price on their future
                                        and freedom.  How smart are we."</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The
                                        hubris and arrogance here simply
                                        disgusts me and even worse,
                                        those that lied their ass off to
                                        steal more addresses than they
                                        needed are now playing mercenary
                                        to the future development of our
                                        youth or developing countries.
                                         What makes it worse It's coming
                                        from people who are involved in
                                        the RIR's and the lack of
                                        compassion and disdain being
                                        displayed is frankly beneath
                                        what the internet community is
                                        all about.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
                                        expected a lot more from a lot
                                        of middle aged people who were
                                        all young once and were given a
                                        chance.  Screw your arrogance
                                        and hubris.  Get your head out
                                        of your arses and travel the
                                        world and see what the power and
                                        freedom the internet and IPv4
                                        provides – at least for the next
                                        5 years and remember that you
                                        too were young once and that the
                                        only reason your so god-damn
                                        smart is because he you managed
                                        to fallout of a womans uterus in
                                        a lucky country.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If
                                        you can't read between the lines
                                        call me and I'll make it very
                                        clear how pathetic your attitude
                                        is.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[b]</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
                                      <br>
                                      The information contained in this
                                      email and any attachments may be
                                      confidential. This email and any
                                      attachments are also subject to
                                      copyright. No part of them may be
                                      reproduced, adapted or transmitted
                                      without the written permission of
                                      the copyright owner. If you are
                                      not the intended recipient, any
                                      use, interference with, disclosure
                                      or copying of this information is
                                      unauthorised and prohibited. If
                                      you have received this email in
                                      error, please immediately advise
                                      the sender by return email and
                                      delete the message from your
                                      system. All email communications
                                      to and from NEXTDC Limited are
                                      recorded for the purposes of
                                      archival and storage.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
                                    </span></p>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                            AusNOG mailing list<br>
                            <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                            <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                          AusNOG mailing list<br>
                          <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                          <a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></p>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <br>
          </div>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
      <br>
      <pre>_______________________________________________
AusNOG mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a>
</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  

</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>AusNOG mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a></span><br>
<span><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>