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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So what you are basically saying ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Small business cant afford to move to ipv6 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Large business can afford to move to ipv6 but couldnt give a damn..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That is brilliant… so Aus has <1% ipv6 traffic and that is cause of all the small business not running ipv6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua D'Alton<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 3 March 2013 12:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv4<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>No one forced them into business. No one made them go for lower margins that would mean they aren't/weren't IPv6 ready.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If they decided to hop onto the sinking ship without a lifevest, its their own damn fault. If they went into business with software like cPanel and did nothing to try push for proper IPv6 support, again that is their own fault. Bigpond and Optus have very little reason from content serving perspective to have IPv6, so it was up to the major sources of content to get their side ready so that people like Bigpond and Optus actually had benefit in rolling out IPv6. Do you think David Thodey is going to go to his board and say "oh hey guys, here's a $100 million proposal to ready our network for IPv6, of course it won't benefit anyone as none of the content out there is IPv6, but it will cost us more if we have to do it later" and get an answer anything other than "bugger off, not interested, it might cost us more later but all we care about is this years bottom line, screw the future that is the next CEOs problem"?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Maybe instead of looking at it like the world is shafting these smaller businesses, maybe look at it like the world has given them a free ride all this time, and now it is time for them to step up. And if that means their business folds, well that means more customers for businesses that WILL survive and manage to implement IPv6 before the 22nd century.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I gotta tell you though, over the past year or so there have been some fairly massive players on the global stage that have all started charging a lot more for IPv4, and aside from a few complaints from businesses being run out of India or Malaysia or somewhere where low margins work really well, the majority of customers have understood the reality of the cost of IPv4. And none of them have left the providers, because while the IPv4 cost increased, overall these lowish margin providers are still a damn sight cheaper than the majority of companies. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Peter Betyounan <<a href="mailto:peter@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">peter@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So basically any new businesses that are 1/4 of that age are<br>collateral damage in this mess , great view.<br><br>There is no force behind change then software providers like Cpanel<br>who would hold half the worlds content would move faster on forward<br>planning on ipv6. Big providers are at fault as it has been said no<br>residential move has been made by the likes of bigpond and Optus so<br>take up has been short of nil by market as no substantial end users<br>have ipv6.<br><br>Laying the blame on small providers is plain wrong.<br><br>Regards<br><span class=hoenzb><span style='color:#888888'>Peter Betyounan</span></span><span style='color:#888888'><br><span class=hoenzb><a href="http://www.serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">www.serversaustralia.com.au</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On 03/03/2013, at 7:06 AM, Mark Smith <<a href="mailto:markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au">markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br>><br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: Peter Betyounan <<a href="mailto:peter@serversaustralia.com.au">peter@serversaustralia.com.au</a>><br>>> To: Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>><br>>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>>> Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 7:16 PM<br>>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4<br>>><br>>><br>>> As I have always thought without forceful intervention by the governing bodies change will not come, financial incentives/penalties will be the key to this and until all big business can feel this change will not come why would it when they can CGNAT / buy more IP's / etc etc . The issue here is small to medium business who do not have the funds to buy more IP's will eventually die automatically monopolizing the market by leaving the big players which sucks for competition..../end rant.<br>><br>> It won't specifically be IPv6 or running out of IPv4 addresses that will have caused these businesses to fail. What those businesses will have really done is failed to plan ahead. In this instance, they've had 10 to 15 years to prepare and plan, and to incorporate the costs of the future upgrade into their current product prices. In most other instances e.g. a new tax, they'll have less than 12 months to prepare for it. A business that can't plan ahead with a 10 to 15 year notification period probably shouldn't deserve to survive, because it also probably doing a lot of other things wrong too, and has such slim margins that it doesn't have any ability to cope with the reasonable yet unexpected cost increases. Would they survive if power prices go up by 20%?<br>><br>> This sounds harsh, but it is the reality. Businesses that aren't good at being a business fail, and the resources they weren't utilising very well (e.g. people, infrastructure), are absorbed into businesses that are better at being businesses.<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>