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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/03/13 5:21 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:<br>
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style="">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Agreed,
but that’s not me.</span></p>
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Accepted, just pointing it out. My point here is that raging about
new business' picking up a couple of /22's seems irrelevant. The
bulk of the address space is already allocated to existing
companies. Game over.<br>
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style="">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sorry
my website is not compliant, every customer is / can be if
they want and I think that’s the main thing, the fact our
website is not right at the point is irrelevant. It’s ONE
site. And its offline because the CDN we use cannot support
it, I’ll put it back to direct tomorrow to make everyone
happy.</span></p>
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If you're spewing at people about not running IPv6 and the most
trivially publicly assessable indication of your own compliance is
AWOL (even if you're doing a bunch of great stuff with it on the
back-end of your business) you look hypocritical. I'm not arguing
one way or the other whether that is the case but It's all about
perception, right? <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">No
it wouldn’t, it means there would be around 8,000 busineses
about to become richer, by selling off their space they got
in the final allocation for no reason.</span></p>
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Firstly, who really cares? Business has and always will exist for
the sole purpose of generating revenue. Sometimes they choose do it
via means that we might consider odious, but that are are entirely
legal. Domain squatting immediately comes to mind here.<br>
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Getting butthurt because you're not the one making the money isn't
going to change it. If you honestly reckon everyone is gonna make it
rain fat stacks of IP benjamins the smart move is to buy as many of
them as possible right now. Maybe one day they'll become an exchange
traded commodity and you'll be able to buy dope with them at Silk
Road.<br>
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Secondly, asserting that the flow on implications of 16k new
(predominately tech, presumably) companies popping up are trivial
shows a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. According to the
ABR there were ~ 2.1M actively trading Australian businesses in
2011, 12% (252,000) of which relate to professional, scientific and
technical services. Let's assume, VERY generously, that a full third
of those (84,000) are technical. You're talking about growing the IT
sector by something like close to 20% (probably much more, given the
generosity of the numbers I'm using)<br>
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Like it or not, technology exists for the sole purpose of making
money... Who do you want to be here? The butthurt techo, or the dude
who's EBITDA just doubled. <br>
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style="">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New
Roman""> </span></span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m
not raging my customers? When did I say that, I think you
have totally mis-read what I have been saying… I’m with Bev
on this one, Mis-allocation and the lack of pulling back
un-used allocations has got us here, and now with low cost
entry to APNIC I think more mis-allocation will be done. We
then got onto v6 and I advised that we allocate it by
default to customers, however 99% of their ISP’s are not
compliant so the allocation from us is effectively useless.
I would LOVE to also see v6 working / running and
implemented in 12 months as it’s so much easier to allocate
/ manage and work with, but that’s just not going to happen.
As for people saying I should have planned 15 years ago, I
was 10 then… and didn’t even know what an IP was. I started
planning 2 years ago after being an IP holder for one year,
so I think that people should just let that one go, not many
other businesses can say that after having a v4 allocation
for only 3 years that they have started to move to v6 yet.
Most are not even thinking / planning it.</span></p>
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On 1/03/13 5:59 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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have a customer that had less than 128 IP’s with us, they
applied around 6 months ago to APNIC and got a /22 so that
they can ‘just have them’ they have no plans to use them and I
am sure that they are just going to sit on them to sell. I
approached them and they laughed about the whole depletion
policy saying ‘someone will come up with a solution’ almost
like they have NO idea about the seriousness of the final
allocation policy.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">When
I reported this to APNIC they did not really have a way to do
anything about it.</span></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/03/13 7:34 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I've mentioned it to apnic and got no response. Ill take that advice
and attend a policy meeting and voice my concerns plus show some
evidence of it happening (I know of 10+ cases)</pre>
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Personally, I couldn't care less if you went and set their house on
fire... Just pointing out that any business punter reading those
comments is probably going to think the same thing I did.<br>
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T.<br>
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