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--></style></head><body bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Tim,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">They were customers, once I found out what they were doing. They were no longer customers, because I have a very strong view of not abusing the system, clearly you do not from your below post.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I guess we will leave it at that, I like to do the right thing and you think monetizing and eating available space is the best way, and also doing nothing about existing un-used allocations.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks for your Input, I hope APNIC never approve space for you knowing what you will do with it.</span></p>
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<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Tim March [mailto:<a href="mailto:march.tim@gmail.com">march.tim@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jared Hirst<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv4</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 3/03/13 5:21 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Agreed, but that’s not me.</span></p>
</blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Accepted, just pointing it out. My point here is that raging about new business' picking up a couple of /22's seems irrelevant. The bulk of the address space is already allocated to existing companies. Game over.<br>
<br><br></p><p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sorry my website is not compliant, every customer is / can be if they want and I think that’s the main thing, the fact our website is not right at the point is irrelevant. It’s ONE site. And its offline because the CDN we use cannot support it, I’ll put it back to direct tomorrow to make everyone happy.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>If you're spewing at people about not running IPv6 and the most trivially publicly assessable indication of your own compliance is AWOL (even if you're doing a bunch of great stuff with it on the back-end of your business) you look hypocritical. I'm not arguing one way or the other whether that is the case but It's all about perception, right? <br>
<br><br></p><p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">No it wouldn’t, it means there would be around 8,000 busineses about to become richer, by selling off their space they got in the final allocation for no reason.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>Firstly, who really cares? Business has and always will exist for the sole purpose of generating revenue. Sometimes they choose do it via means that we might consider odious, but that are are entirely legal. Domain squatting immediately comes to mind here.<br>
<br>Getting butthurt because you're not the one making the money isn't going to change it. If you honestly reckon everyone is gonna make it rain fat stacks of IP benjamins the smart move is to buy as many of them as possible right now. Maybe one day they'll become an exchange traded commodity and you'll be able to buy dope with them at Silk Road.<br>
<br>Secondly, asserting that the flow on implications of 16k new (predominately tech, presumably) companies popping up are trivial shows a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. According to the ABR there were ~ 2.1M actively trading Australian businesses in 2011, 12% (252,000) of which relate to professional, scientific and technical services. Let's assume, VERY generously, that a full third of those (84,000) are technical. You're talking about growing the IT sector by something like close to 20% (probably much more, given the generosity of the numbers I'm using)<br>
<br>Like it or not, technology exists for the sole purpose of making money... Who do you want to be here? The butthurt techo, or the dude who's EBITDA just doubled. <br><br><br><br></p><p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m not raging my customers? When did I say that, I think you have totally mis-read what I have been saying… I’m with Bev on this one, Mis-allocation and the lack of pulling back un-used allocations has got us here, and now with low cost entry to APNIC I think more mis-allocation will be done. We then got onto v6 and I advised that we allocate it by default to customers, however 99% of their ISP’s are not compliant so the allocation from us is effectively useless. I would LOVE to also see v6 working / running and implemented in 12 months as it’s so much easier to allocate / manage and work with, but that’s just not going to happen. As for people saying I should have planned 15 years ago, I was 10 then… and didn’t even know what an IP was. I started planning 2 years ago after being an IP holder for one year, so I think that people should just let that one go, not many other businesses can say that after having a v4 allocation for only 3 years that they have started to move to v6 yet. Most are not even thinking / planning it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>On 1/03/13 5:59 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I have a customer that had less than 128 IP’s with us, they applied around 6 months ago to APNIC and got a /22 so that they can ‘just have them’ they have no plans to use them and I am sure that they are just going to sit on them to sell. I approached them and they laughed about the whole depletion policy saying ‘someone will come up with a solution’ almost like they have NO idea about the seriousness of the final allocation policy.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">When I reported this to APNIC they did not really have a way to do anything about it.</span></p>
</blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 1/03/13 7:34 PM, Jared Hirst wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><pre>I've mentioned it to apnic and got no response. Ill take that advice</pre>
<pre>and attend a policy meeting and voice my concerns plus show some</pre><pre>evidence of it happening (I know of 10+ cases)</pre></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><br>Personally, I couldn't care less if you went and set their house on fire... Just pointing out that any business punter reading those comments is probably going to think the same thing I did.<br>
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