<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br><br></div><div>On 01/03/2013, at 9:06 PM, Jared Hirst <<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><span>Your attitude of 'restricting and policing IP's' won't change a thing</span><br><span>is the exact reason we are in this position.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>No, we are in this position because IPv4 provides 4 billion addresses and there are more than 4 billion devices.<div><br></div><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><span>If people were conservative with space, use carrier grade NAT and</span><br><span>actually assigned IP's as per policy them you and I would not be</span><br><span>having this conversation, end of story. There would be ample space</span><br><span>available IF people followed policies.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>It seems to me that your answer to the "more Internet users than Internet" problem is to use policy to make Internet growth expensive and difficult, and use CGNs to make the user experience terrible.</div><div><br></div><div>My answer is to get over it and move to IPv6.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><span></span><span>Call it what you like but people not following policy as got us in</span><br><span>this position.</span><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I'll repeat my earlier question: do you believe APNIC has been incompetent at implementing policy, by handing out address to people who do not comply with the requirements?</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div> - mark</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></body></html>