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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I thought the Hideously long signatures was the way to actually sell stuff on AuSNOG?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christopher Pollock<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] 23 VOIP phones for sale<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>That's my point, people complaining about these posts is more of a problem than the actual posts themselves.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have no problem with people selling stuff on-list as long as it's not their primary business activity, or if it's a special community-minded thing like your Juniper promotion. Let's add it to the charter and clear the ambiguity.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>And if we've accidentally created an atmosphere where people are afraid to post, perhaps we should all make a conscious effort to be nicer and less abrasive to new members.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<br>Christopher Pollock,<br>io Networks Pty Ltd.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>e. <a href="mailto:chris@ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">chris@ionetworks.com.au</a><br>p. 1300 1 2 4 8 16<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>d. 07 3188 7588<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>m. 0410 747 765<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>skype: christopherpollock<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://twitter.com/chrisionetworks" target="_blank">twitter.com/chrisionetworks</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.ionetworks.com.au</a><br>In-house, Outsourced.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don't think it is about volume.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think it is about fear. Look at every email that is off-topic that is sent. 'I hope this doesn't upset anyone', etc etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If it was allowed, and there was no fear of people getting grumpy, then there would be no issue.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phone: <a href="tel:1300%20239%20038" target="_blank">1300 239 038</a>; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Christopher Pollock <<a href="mailto:chris@ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">chris@ionetworks.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Is there really much of a point to that though? The ratio of these posts to regular posts is very low, and all that I foresee happening with this is that people find out about AusNOG from somewhere, then they join the main one and miss out on the other sub-lists.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We have more meta-conversation around the idea of people posting stuff for sale to the list than we have with people posting stuff for sale to the list.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>--<br>Christopher Pollock,<br>io Networks Pty Ltd.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>e. <a href="mailto:chris@ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">chris@ionetworks.com.au</a><br>p. <a href="tel:1300%201%202%204%208%2016" target="_blank">1300 1 2 4 8 16</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>d. <a href="tel:07%203188%207588" target="_blank">07 3188 7588</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>m. <a href="tel:0410%20747%20765" target="_blank">0410 747 765</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>skype: christopherpollock<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://twitter.com/chrisionetworks" target="_blank">twitter.com/chrisionetworks</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.ionetworks.com.au</a><br>In-house, Outsourced.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We've asked the AUSNOG guys to setup other lists in the past, but we've got no action.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'd like to see lists for:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- hardware<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- jobs<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>- general chitchat (so the main list is operational only)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Skeeve Stevens - </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a> ; <a href="http://www.eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank">www.eintellegonetworks.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phone: <a href="tel:1300%20239%20038" target="_blank">1300 239 038</a>; Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://facebook.com/eintellegonetworks" target="_blank">facebook.com/eintellegonetworks</a> ; <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://twitter.com/networkceoau" target="_blank">twitter.com/networkceoau</a> ; blog: <a href="http://www.network-ceo.net/" target="_blank">www.network-ceo.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'>The Experts Who The Experts Call</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Juniper - Cisco - Cloud</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F007F'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Giles Pollock <<a href="mailto:glp71s@gmail.com" target="_blank">glp71s@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Also +1 and I'd subscribe, I have an entire Siemens HiPath system and phones that I have no idea what to do with.... I get the feeling ebay will just result in some variant of ye olde nigeria scam...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Brad Evans <<a href="mailto:brad@delion.com.au" target="_blank">brad@delion.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>+1<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 28/02/2013 10:58 AM, Guy Ellis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>How about setting up a separate list for Equipment / IP sales - I'd certainly subscribe? <br>To avoid Spam just restrict posts to members only. <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>