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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My thoughts are more along the “community” lines. Sure, if you have a pallet or ten of older servers you’d like to offload – naturally, people on this list may be interested – and likely get a decent pricing before it goes onto the public domain. Naturally, I have a preference for dealing with good friends and colleagues than competing in the rat race with the general public ;-) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Goldman<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 28 February 2013 10:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] 23 VOIP phones for sale<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>My opinion is more so:<br><br> You do not sell these items as your core business (i.e. hardware/resources you are trying to offload) is not really a 'sales' pitch. You are selling them, but that isn't your business.<br> If you are a hardware sales company trying to sell BRAND NEW products and pitching the list (i.e. The NEW Cisco/Brocade/Juniper routers are in, great specs, great deal at only blah blah blah) then that is too sales-y.<br> <br> There is a grey area middle ground where some hardware vendors/resellers may have some surplus/cheap stock and offer an AusNOG exclusive deal. Some of these, I'd be OK with (I believe Skeeve had one a while ago on some entry level Juniper kit, which was actually really helpful for a lot of techs here).<br><br><br>On 28/02/13 10:41 AM, Noel Butler wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>I think there is a huge difference between saying " hey, I hot a /19 anyone interested ping me" since that's a scarce and much sought after _network resource_ , which would be covered by the list charter <br><br>Messages like " hey, I got phones, servers, blah blah blah for sale" - since they are a dime a dozen from ebay to PC shops to networking brokers - are likely _not_ covered by list charter and (bordering on spam) off topic.<br><br>but thats just my opinion<br><br><br>On Wed, 2013-02-27 at 15:28 -0800, Scott Weeks wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>--- <a href="mailto:forsakov@gmail.com">forsakov@gmail.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: august forsakov <<a href="mailto:forsakov@gmail.com">forsakov@gmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>NOT that this is a list for selling items No!<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>It sure has been that lately with all the prefix<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>selling. How can you tell sales droids they can't<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>sell on the list, but everyone else can? 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