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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'm not sure where this idea of having
      to hunt down the exact same model of RAID comes from. This isn't
      the case.<br>
      <br>
      The vast majority of vendors maintain upward compatibility for
      their metadata formats. Further, if a RAID controller failure
      results in having to "hunt" for a new controller that is
      compatible then you should probably assess the worth of the
      applications hosted - warranty support is there for a reason.<br>
      <br>
      If recovery of data is the goal post controller failure, this can
      be done quite easily with losetup+mount .<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      <br>
      Chris<br>
      <br>
      On 14/02/13 14:55, Jake Anderson wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14/02/13 14:43, Skeeve Stevens
        wrote:<br>
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      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAEUfUGMXWMzt+XUviEPA=jaHNxAOgHKit45UZCr+SWbDXwZtmw@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">OK, so today is a day of learning.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>As I said.. I am NOT a server hardware guy.  Based on some
          of the responses, I now have learned that SATA drives will fit
          into a SAS interface (but not the reverse).  This is
          awesome... I thought they were completely different.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So, it is a DELL 1950 with 32Gb ram, 2 x Dual Core 3Ghz
          processors.  I am still unclear what, if any RAID is on board.</div>
      </blockquote>
      I would stay away from "hardware" raid, if you don't need it for
      ultimate performance use software raid.<br>
      When the computer craps itself, slap the drives into a new host
      and be running again, no need to hunt down the exact same model of
      raid card.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote
cite="mid:CAEUfUGMXWMzt+XUviEPA=jaHNxAOgHKit45UZCr+SWbDXwZtmw@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The server will be used for a dozen VMs.  Centos, general
          purpose, DNS, radius, etc with httpd front end and some mySQL
          backend, but all low performance.  The sort of VMs you commit
          128mb of ram to and max at 1-1.5Gb ram.</div>
      </blockquote>
      you can never have too much ram, this applies double with VM's
      ;-><br>
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cite="mid:CAEUfUGMXWMzt+XUviEPA=jaHNxAOgHKit45UZCr+SWbDXwZtmw@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>FYI, I know how to manage Vmware and staggering the boots,
          and so on.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Oh yeah.. and I did mean 7.2k drives.. ;-)</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>So.. now that I know I can use SATA drives... it opens
          things up a bit.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I am looking at Ingram.. still some thing I don't
          understand.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://au.ingrammicro.com/_layouts/CommerceServer/IM/ProductDetails.aspx?id=AU01@@2210@@10@@000000000001885395"
            class="ellipsis-multiline" rel="#product-title-2-info"
style="color:rgb(167,25,48);text-decoration:initial;overflow:hidden;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">HP

            2TB SATA 6Gb/s 7200 HDD</a> - $292</div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://au.ingrammicro.com/_layouts/CommerceServer/IM/ProductDetails.aspx?id=AU01@@2210@@10@@000000000001551449"
            class="ellipsis-multiline" rel="#product-title-3-info"
style="color:rgb(167,25,48);text-decoration:initial;overflow:hidden;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;font-size:11px;line-height:14px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">HP

            2TB SATA 3Gb/s NCQ 7200 HDD</a> - $342</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>No idea what NCQ is, and why the faster TP drive is
          cheaper.  Anyone?</div>
      </blockquote>
      NCQ is native command queing, the HDD will re-order buffered reads
      on the fly for the best average access time.<br>
      Can be a decent gain on a heavy disk load.<br>
      <br>
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cite="mid:CAEUfUGMXWMzt+XUviEPA=jaHNxAOgHKit45UZCr+SWbDXwZtmw@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
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        <div>These look nice:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://au.ingrammicro.com/_layouts/CommerceServer/IM/ProductDetails.aspx?id=AU01@@2210@@10@@000000000002145465"
            class="ellipsis-multiline" rel="#product-title-4-info"
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              class="italic bold">SEAGATE</span> Constellation CS SATA
            2TB 3.5" 7200RPM 64 Cache</a> - $159 lots in stock</div>
        <div>
          <div class="product-name" style="margin:5px 0px
0px;padding:0px;font-size:11px;color:rgb(167,25,48);line-height:14px;min-height:14px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a
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href="https://au.ingrammicro.com/_layouts/CommerceServer/IM/ProductDetails.aspx?id=AU01@@2210@@10@@000000000002145467"
              class="ellipsis-multiline" rel="#product-title-2-info"
              style="color:rgb(167,25,48);overflow:hidden"><span
                class="italic bold">SEAGATE</span> Constellation CS SATA
              3TB 3.5" 7200RPM 64 Cache</a> <span
style="font-family:arial;font-size:small;line-height:normal;background-color:transparent"> -

              $219 lots in stock</span></div>
        </div>
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        </div>
        <div>I see some NL drives (assuming what someone said was Near
          Line) - no idea what that is though.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I was also thinking that if the chassis had the space, I
          should put a little SSD of CF on board to install the ESX onto
          to keep the OS off the drives... thoughts?  My assumption is
          that once VMware is booted, its disk access is minimal.</div>
      </blockquote>
      I would doubly not do this, or if you do, raid them.<br>
      SSD's have the same failure rate as rotating media. Often with
      worse failure properties, one day they just disappear, no
      degradation, bad sectors or anything first.<br>
      I would put a RAID1 in for boot and put your OS on that.<br>
      however you configure the rest of the array, its good if the
      system can still get booted regardless of the degradation.<br>
      Given a number of VM's running partitioning is perhaps a good
      thing to look at, rather than one bigass raid5 array, put a few
      smaller raid1's in.<br>
      Spread the VM's across the spindles so if a mail system starts
      thrashing grabbing somebodies emails, when their mail client
      starts pushing it back onto the file server you aren't running all
      that on the same set of spindles.<br>
      Be sure to align all the VM's with sector boundary’s. Right the
      way through the chain. IE the VM's internal partitions should
      start on a boundary of the physical disk.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
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cite="mid:CAEUfUGMXWMzt+XUviEPA=jaHNxAOgHKit45UZCr+SWbDXwZtmw@mail.gmail.com"
        type="cite">
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          <div>
            <div><br>
              ...Skeeve</div>
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            <div>
              <div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve
                  Stevens - </b><span
                  style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego
                  Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 1:10 PM,
            Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a
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            wrote:<br>
            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hey
              guys,
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I know a bit about operating servers, but know bugger
                all about the hardware, especially when it comes to hard
                drives.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I am needing to deploy a server for some low
                performance VM's, and it has 32Gb ram, Dual core dual
                processor 3Ghz... so all good.  Should run a few linux
                VM's on ESX.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>But... hard drives I really don't know about.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The chassis takes SAS drives.  In it are some small
                drives and I want to upgrade.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Will 7.5k speed drives be ok on a VMware server if
                its not for high performance processing?  The cost of
                15k SAS drives still seem to be rather expensive.  I was
                hoping for 500Gb-600Gb of space.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Any thoughts on which brand is ok... I will be
                putting a single drive in mirrored (only 2 bays).<br
                  clear="all">
                <div>
                  <div><br>
                    ...Skeeve</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve

                        Stevens - </b><span
                        style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">eintellego

                        Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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