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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>…Says the engie who buffers the entire Internet into ram each and every day…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 07, 2013 10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> Craig Askings<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] News: Telstra to clamp down on peer-to-peer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>buffers are for whimps. ;-p<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Craig Askings <<a href="mailto:craig@askings.com.au" target="_blank">craig@askings.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ok so the buffers are now full and a voice packet arrives. Do you want the router / switch to drop that voice packet or choose another packet to take one for the team? That is what QoS is for, even with small buffers you still need QoS to pick the loser.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=hoenzb><span style='color:#888888'>Craig.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 07/02/2013, at 10:11 AM, Nicholas Meredith <<a href="mailto:nicholas@udhaonline.net" target="_blank">nicholas@udhaonline.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p>I don't follow, congestion won't cause latency if buffers are controlled correctly. How is QoS better in this case?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 07/02/2013 9:27 AM, "Paul Brooks" <<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au" target="_blank">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 7/02/2013 8:10 AM, Nicholas Meredith wrote:<br>><br>> If bufferbloat gets resolved it will render QoS utterly redundant.<br>><br>perhaps...until a link went down and the streams re-routed to another path causing<br>congestion, or more traffic thrown on the original path also causing congestion.<br>Even if bufferbloat might 'get resolved', which it won't.<br><br>P.<br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>