Their position is just stupid. Heavy downloaders? I am not even sure what that means with Telstra.<div><br></div><div>They have no unlimited plan. I subscribe to the 500Gb plan. If I download my full 500Gb, am I a heavy downloader? NO, I am someone who is using what I paid for.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Telstra need to wake up and realise they have no such thing as heavy downloaders, just people who are entitled to download what they've paid for.</div><div><br></div><div>TPG on the other hand... or anyone else with unlimited plans... then you'd have an argument.<br clear="all">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jeffrey Sims <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffy@tehintartubes.net" target="_blank">jeffy@tehintartubes.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Not to mention, P2P is used for file delivery for games like WoW, League of Legends etc.<div><br></div><div>So by stopping the downloaders, you're stopping the gamers too!</div><div><br></div>
<div>Telstra's big book of "101 ways to piss off its customer base (but really they have no choice but to be with Telstra until NBN comes out)"</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Chris Ricks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.ricks@securepay.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ricks@securepay.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>They already do clamp down on
peer-to-peer by counting uploads, surely?<div><div><br>
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<div>From the SMH @ <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html</a></div>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">Telstra
is planning to slow the speed at which its customers download
content through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">peer-to-peer
(P2P) networks</a> in peak periods as part of a trial.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">P2P
networks are commonly used to download pirated material such
as movies, music and video games.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">Telstra
confirmed the move in a statement after a source contacted
Fairfax Media, publisher of this article, to say the telco
planned to introduce throttling as a "trial" that was likely
to become permanent and which required users to opt out if
they didn't want to take part in it.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">The
trial could begin as soon as this week, the source added.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">The
Telstra statement said it would be conducting a "limited trial
of a range of technical options for better managing broadband
internet performance for our customers during peak periods".</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">One
option being looked at was the shaping of specific services,
including some peer-to-peer services, in certain circumstances
and at certain times. The telco could shape such services
using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">deep
packet inspection</a> (DPI) technology, which can identify
the types of network traffic flowing through a network and
prioritise it accordingly.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">"Once
the trial is complete we will consider the results as part of
our future network planning and product development
activities," the company said.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">"The
trial does not involve any monitoring or tracking of the sites
customers visit and the findings we gather, including their
feedback, are being collected in accordance with our privacy
statement," Telstra said.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">Critics
of ISPs that interfere with P2P say it has many uses that
aren't illegal, such as downloading large files, and that it
shouldn't be interfered with. But most acknowledge it is used
for sharing copyright-protected material</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">Telstra's
plan to shape peer-to-peer network traffic was first mooted by
the industry publication <em style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">RCR
Wireless</em> in May 2011, when Telstra executive director
Michael Lawrey <a href="http://www.rcrwireless.com/unplugged/index.php/20110523/carriers/9137/telstra-proudly-declares-intent-to-cut-off-bandwidth-hogs/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">threatened
in a speech</a> in Dublin to cut off "downloaders of illegal
content", whom he reportedly blamed for network congestion.</p>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">The <em style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">RCR
Wireless</em> article no longer appears online but Mr
Lawrey's quotes remain on the Australian technology news
website <em style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">iTnews</em>, <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/258515,telstra-aims-throttling-at-its-hungriest-customers.aspx" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">which
repeated them</a>.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><em style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">RCR
Wireless</em> quoted Mr Lawrey as saying Telstra would also
take action against customers believed to be abusing the
carrier's fair-use policies.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">"We
probably haven't even used our fair use small print yet. But
we will," Mr Lawrey reportedly said.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">He
was also reported to have said that if the carrier's proposed
system "cut out 80 per cent of the non-value adding traffic –
good".</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">According
to the <em style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline">RCR
Wireless</em> article, about 80 per cent of Telstra's data
was chewed up by high bandwidth users.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">"I'd
rather not have those 80 per cent as customers. I'd rather
someone else had them as customers," Mr Lawrey reportedly
said.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">He
did not say whether he was talking about fixed-line,
smartphone customers or both.</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">Exetel,
a smaller ISP than Telstra, <a href="http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/exetel_faq_prioritize" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">used
to throttle</a>, or "deprioritise", peer-to-peer traffic
during peak periods. Its terms and conditions say it can still
do so but a staff member last year <a href="https://forum.exetel.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=284&t=39103" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">said
on its forum that it did not shape</a> "any type of
traffic".</p>
<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px"><br>
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<p style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px">Illegal
downloading via BitTorrent networks has been in <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/game-of-thrones-crowned-king-of-downloads-20121224-2buay.html" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(72,72,72);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">slight
decline for some time</a>, though reports suggest there was
a small rise in 2012. In part that would be fuelled by faster
internet services worldwide and a migration away from
traditional television in which some consumers now exclusively
watch TV content via the internet.</p>
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Read more: <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html#ixzz2K09ebWjy" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(0,51,153);text-decoration:initial" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html#ixzz2K09ebWjy</a></span></div>
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