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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That’s a very valid point Skeeve.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am wondering what they classify as a heavy downloader?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The customer base willing to pay more for a higher GB download allowance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Isn’t that just good business?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 February 2013 21:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeffrey Sims<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] News: Telstra to clamp down on peer-to-peer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Their position is just stupid. Heavy downloaders? I am not even sure what that means with Telstra.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They have no unlimited plan. I subscribe to the 500Gb plan. If I download my full 500Gb, am I a heavy downloader? NO, I am someone who is using what I paid for.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Telstra need to wake up and realise they have no such thing as heavy downloaders, just people who are entitled to download what they've paid for.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TPG on the other hand... or anyone else with unlimited plans... then you'd have an argument.<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Jeffrey Sims <<a href="mailto:jeffy@tehintartubes.net" target="_blank">jeffy@tehintartubes.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not to mention, P2P is used for file delivery for games like WoW, League of Legends etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So by stopping the downloaders, you're stopping the gamers too!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Telstra's big book of "101 ways to piss off its customer base (but really they have no choice but to be with Telstra until NBN comes out)"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Chris Ricks <<a href="mailto:chris.ricks@securepay.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ricks@securepay.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They already do clamp down on peer-to-peer by counting uploads, surely?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the SMH @ <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html" target="_blank">http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/telstra-to-clamp-down-on-peertopeer-20130205-2dvus.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Telstra is planning to slow the speed at which its customers download content through <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">peer-to-peer
(P2P) networks</span></a> in peak periods as part of a trial.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">P2P networks are commonly used to download pirated material such as movies, music and video games.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Telstra confirmed the move in a statement after a source contacted Fairfax Media, publisher of this article, to say the telco planned to introduce throttling as a "trial" that was likely to become
permanent and which required users to opt out if they didn't want to take part in it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The trial could begin as soon as this week, the source added.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The Telstra statement said it would be conducting a "limited trial of a range of technical options for better managing broadband internet performance for our customers during peak periods".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">One option being looked at was the shaping of specific services, including some peer-to-peer services, in certain circumstances and at certain times. The telco could shape such services using <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_packet_inspection" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">deep
packet inspection</span></a> (DPI) technology, which can identify the types of network traffic flowing through a network and prioritise it accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"Once the trial is complete we will consider the results as part of our future network planning and product development activities," the company said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"The trial does not involve any monitoring or tracking of the sites customers visit and the findings we gather, including their feedback, are being collected in accordance with our privacy statement,"
Telstra said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Critics of ISPs that interfere with P2P say it has many uses that aren't illegal, such as downloading large files, and that it shouldn't be interfered with. But most acknowledge it is used for sharing
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Telstra's plan to shape peer-to-peer network traffic was first mooted by the industry publication </span><em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">RCR
Wireless</span></em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> in May 2011, when Telstra executive director Michael Lawrey <a href="http://www.rcrwireless.com/unplugged/index.php/20110523/carriers/9137/telstra-proudly-declares-intent-to-cut-off-bandwidth-hogs/" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">threatened
in a speech</span></a> in Dublin to cut off "downloaders of illegal content", whom he reportedly blamed for network congestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The </span><em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">RCR Wireless</span></em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> article
no longer appears online but Mr Lawrey's quotes remain on the Australian technology news website </span><em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">iTnews</span></em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">, <a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/News/258515,telstra-aims-throttling-at-its-hungriest-customers.aspx" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">which
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customers believed to be abusing the carrier's fair-use policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"We probably haven't even used our fair use small print yet. But we will," Mr Lawrey reportedly said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">He was also reported to have said that if the carrier's proposed system "cut out 80 per cent of the non-value adding traffic – good".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">According to the </span><em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"inherit","serif";border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">RCR Wireless</span></em><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> article,
about 80 per cent of Telstra's data was chewed up by high bandwidth users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">"I'd rather not have those 80 per cent as customers. I'd rather someone else had them as customers," Mr Lawrey reportedly said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Exetel, a smaller ISP than Telstra, <a href="http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/exetel_faq_prioritize" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">used
to throttle</span></a>, or "deprioritise", peer-to-peer traffic during peak periods. Its terms and conditions say it can still do so but a staff member last year <a href="https://forum.exetel.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=284&t=39103" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">said
on its forum that it did not shape</span></a> "any type of traffic".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Illegal downloading via BitTorrent networks has been in <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/game-of-thrones-crowned-king-of-downloads-20121224-2buay.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"inherit","serif";color:#484848;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm">slight
decline for some time</span></a>, though reports suggest there was a small rise in 2012. In part that would be fuelled by faster internet services worldwide and a migration away from traditional television in which some consumers now exclusively watch TV content
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