Jacob,<div><br></div><div>Why is the parallel not good?<div><br></div><div>You register a domain name, you pay some $$$ and register it for a period.</div><div><br></div><div>You become and APNIC member, you pay some $$$ and if you can justify them you get ip's. The period being 'as long as you renew your membership'.</div>
<div><br></div><div>You keep renewing your domain, you keep it.</div><div><br></div><div>In either, if you stop paying, you lose the resource (domain/IP/ASN/etc).</div><div><br></div><div>There is a process in domain names to transfer the ownership to another party - with rules.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There is a process in APNIC policy to transfer resources to another party - with rules.</div><div><br></div><div>Neither body that governs the policies around either, comments on the reasons that transfer might happen... for free, or for remuneration of money or chickens.</div>
<div><br></div><div>APNIC has a fully defined process of inter-member and inter-RIR transfer policies. There is also an APNIC mailing list to discuss such transfers. APNIC also now charges for transfers.</div><div><br>
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<div>There is a list of approved IPv4 Brokers on the APNIC website - <a href="http://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/transfer-resources/transfer-facilitators">http://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/transfer-resources/transfer-facilitators</a> with guidelines.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There is even a list of people who are pre-approved to receive transfers at: <a href="http://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/pre-approval/listing">http://www.apnic.net/services/become-a-member/manage-your-membership/pre-approval/listing</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Whether you, or I like it or not, there is already a very lively market of selling address space and at each APNIC conference, members from v4 address brokers are there - such as: <a href="http://ipv4marketgroup.com/">http://ipv4marketgroup.com/</a> , <a href="http://www.kalorama.com/">http://www.kalorama.com/</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>Jacob... I don't like this v4 situation either... but this is the game right now. It has taken so long to move to IPv6 that through a combination of reasons - ISPs, vendors, laziness, cost, fear, etc... that has caused this situation.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Right now IPv4 addresses are going to go up in value for the next 4-5 years at least, until it reaches a peak when it becomes more cost effective to rollout IPv6 fully than it does to keep buying IPv4... then the value of v4 will slump. But while there are those who are not v6/CGN ready, then there will be a demand... and that demand grows every day and if the response to my email was any example (50+ emails asking for details), that means there is a lot of people in demand. </div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Jacob Gardiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com" target="_blank">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">That's not really a good parallel. <div><br></div><div>The only thing that you need to 'register' a domain name is a credit card, and in some cases not even that. There's also no shortages of domain names. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm fairly certain that APNIC 'owns' our regions IP addresses, not you or your clients.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 January 2013 08:46, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Do you 'own' a domain name? or the rights to use it?<div><br></div><div>and do you have the right to 'sell' those rights?<div>
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<br><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Jacob Gardiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobgardiner.com" target="_blank">jacob@jacobgardiner.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm curious as to how you can sell something that you don't own?<div><br></div><div>To be honest, i'm not familiar with the policies around IP allocations, but i'm fairly certain that they're just that - an allocation not an ownership.<br>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 January 2013 22:17, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Depends what you are buying, where you are buying it from and where the range is from.<div><br></div><div>I've seen some ranges from shitty blocks which are still bogon affected, as well as people who are selling bunches of smaller blocks combined to look like bigger ones.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Moving from other regions also can cause some issues too - and costs extra in fees.<div><br clear="all"><div><div><font face="Calibri"><b><br><br></b></font></div><div><b style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px">Skeeve Stevens, CEO - </b><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px">eintellego Pty Ltd</span></div>
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<br><br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Jared Hirst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Yeah $5-$8.50 seems to be the going rate during our recent dealings with brokers.<br></div><div><br>
</div><div>Shame that vendors are not acting fast enough to implement ipv6 really.</div>
<div><br>On 19/01/2013, at 10:03 PM, Damian Guppy <<a href="mailto:the.damo@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.damo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">I think going rate for public IP's was about $1 to $5 per address in large ranges? It may start going up as they get in short supply though.<div>
<br></div><div>(having a quick look on google though suggests some have been going for around $12 per address more recently)</div>
<div><br></div><div>--Damian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Lloyd Wood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">And the geolocation. What country do google and amazon web services think the address space is in?<br>
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With widespread two-way nat, what is public address really worth?<br>
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