<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Scott, </div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">It's a little late to just say 'Bonne Noel' or 'Joyeux Noel', but perhaps this email will serve your proposal and provide <em style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px;">quod erat demonstrandum.</em></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><em style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px;"><br></em></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif;
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<lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Noel Butler <noel.butler@ausics.net>; "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 11 January 2013, 9:52<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] [SHAME] spamrats.com<br> </font> </div> <br><div id="yiv1770472153">Actually I think Noel is just trying to prove my point that a message being rejected due to the stupidity of the recipients mail server is a problem for the recipient, not the sender. In addition to yahoo and .name, I just got this back from his mail server :<br>
<br>554 554 5.7.1 Policy Violation: Please use English only -
Richtlinienverletzung: Bitte verwenden Sie nur auf Englisch - Violation
de la politique: S'il vous pla t utiliser l'anglais seulement - Violaci
n de pol ticas: Por favor, use Ingl s solamente - <br><br>(The irony of course being that this message will probably get blocked too, due to be including his own mail server response which is not in English. If one more person replies and includes the text above that'll be 3. I wonder how many bounces until the AusNOG mail server software auto-unsubscribes him?)<br>
<br> Scott<br><br><br><div class="yiv1770472153gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Lloyd Wood <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk">lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv1770472153gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Yes Noel, you block mail from people on this mailing list because they use yahoo or .name. Well done, you.<br>
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Apparently, anti spam that takes the approach of blocking servers that actually send spam is out of fashion.<br>
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On 10 Jan 2013, at 21:26, Noel Butler <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:noel.butler@ausics.net">noel.butler@ausics.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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> really? outdated? I beg to differ, again, over 90 %, yes 90%, less work my anti spam stuff has to do for blocking the incompetent people in this industry who don't know how to do DNS, and seeing as how I myself have been taking this approach for nearly twenty odd years, I think I know the net results are justified.<br>
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> ignorance and laziness are not a defence.<br>
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