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    I would've thought Carbon sat at layer0.<br>
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    -Brad<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30/11/2012 6:21 PM, Mark Newton
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      <div>I think layer-0 is electricity. Our entire civilisation stops
        without electricity, comms included.</div>
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      <div>   - mark<br>
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        On 30/11/2012, at 12:59 PM, Narelle <<a
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        <div>I used to call Layer 0 - real estate and general
          premises...<br>
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          N<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:35 AM,
              Mark Newton <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                <div class="im">On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 06:26:59PM
                  +1100, Matthew VK3EVL wrote:<br>
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                   > On 29/11/2012, at 9:54, Mark Newton <<a
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                   > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:25:03AM +1000,
                  Andrew Cox wrote:<br>
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                   > >> And to add some legitimacy; physics
                  dictates that latency over wireless<br>
                   > >> (through the air) is less than latency
                  over fibre (through glass), so not<br>
                   > >> only will they end up with* *more
                  reliable internet, it'll be better for<br>
                   > >> all those web 4.0 services that kids
                  love to use!<br>
                   > ><br>
                   > > OSI called, they want to talk to you about
                  a thing called "Layer 2."<br>
                   > ><br>
                   > > Sounded important.<br>
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                   > I find most issues revolve around layer 8.......
                  At least in the<br>
                   > sysadmin world. :P<br>
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                Little known fact: the OSI 7 layer model has 10 layers.<br>
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                Layer 8 is "Financial." Layer 9 is "Political." Layer 10
                is "Religious."<br>
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                      - mark<br>
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