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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sean’s idea is not a bad…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>but I reckon the end user’s, cable/adsl customer etc need to be educated first.. about what GO4 is doing to domestic traffic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>most gamers understand latency etc…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>if you going to route GO4 traffic to US, gamers will be your best friends if you want to cause a shit storm…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They will give GO4 support hell…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gamers whinge if they is an increase in latency by 5-10 ms… we are talking about 100ms+ here<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To my knowledge most of the major game networks are hosted outside of GO4, except for Game Arena<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That is including major game releases from the likes of EA Sports which are hosted privately<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua D'Alton<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 November 2012 11:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Domestic Peering WAS: Vocus peering traffic missingfrom PIPE-IX?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Well its really just economics, supply and demand (which is low in our case).<br><br>All the Telstra gamer customers will care about latency to their game servers, but I guess the majority of customers probably won't be impacted by latency :/ If it was done before, when and to what result, and why isn't it still happening if it saves costs ?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM, Mark Prior <<a href="mailto:mrp@mrp.net" target="_blank">mrp@mrp.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 12/11/12 8:55 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Anyway... Perhaps greater cooperation amongst providers in AU would be<br>able to breach the Reach (har har) and achieve the sort of pricing that<br>you see on trans-atlantic (transit basically) links::<br><a href="http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com/documents/ProjectKelvin-PricingMarch20111_000.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com/documents/ProjectKelvin-PricingMarch20111_000.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I'll leave it to Bevin to explain cable economics 101 :-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Seans Idea of pumping all the traffic overseas for a week to pwn the Go4<br>is a great idea, what would be better is the establishment of a<br>"not-for-profit" consortium that got together to bully the Go4 into<br>submission. The best thing about it is even the dedicated server<br>providers that have them used by gamers won't be bearing much of a brunt<br>as it will be T$lstra who has to explain why latency to next door<br>neighbour on iiNet is being routed via SJ while iiNet customer enjoys<br>low latency to 90% of providers who do choose to peer. Or at least that<br>would be the idea (trollface), maybe someone experienced could think of<br>the actual ramifications and possibilities..<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>You make the flawed assumption that they care about latency to other providers. Also been there and tried it.<span style='color:#888888'><br><br><span class=hoenzb>Mark.</span><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>