Probably what MMC was hinting at ;)<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Chris Ricks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris.ricks@securepay.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ricks@securepay.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    <div>From some traces I ran a while ago, it
      looked like Internode had a BGP adjacency with AS703 at one
      point....<div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 12/11/12 16:17, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:<br>
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        <div>On 11/11/2012, at 9:00 PM, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>>
          wrote:</div>
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        <blockquote type="cite">AARNet is a special case though, just as
          the various other research networks around the world get
          peering. Level3 for example doesn't accept any new peering at
          all, yet there have been 4 since 2000, all research networks.<br>
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        <div>AARNet is not the only AU network outside the GoF with
          AS703 peering.</div>
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        <div>MMC</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Mark
            Prior <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mrp@mrp.net" target="_blank">mrp@mrp.net</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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              AARNet met Verizon's requirements and got peering with
              them. I believed we also met AAPT's until AAPT changed
              their policy.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                  <br>
                  Mark.</font></span>
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                  On 12/11/12 3:18 PM, Chris Ricks wrote:<br>
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                    With that said (AS703s requirements being met by
                    AAPT, Optus and<br>
                    Telstra), is it likely that any other Australian
                    carrier would be likely<br>
                    to meet them as well?<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    On 12/11/12 15:32, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:<br>
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                      On 11/11/2012, at 8:29 PM, Chris Ricks <<a href="mailto:chris.ricks@securepay.com.au" target="_blank">chris.ricks@securepay.com.au</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        There's been on list discussion stating that if
                        the other 3 members of<br>
                        the GoF were evaluated using Verizon's published
                        policy, they wouldn't<br>
                        get to keep the current arrangement - do you
                        have an opinion on that<br>
                        either way?<br>
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                      I'd suggest that untrue.  All would meet AS703s
                      requirements.<br>
                      <br>
                      MMC<br>
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                        On 12/11/12 15:13, Mark Prior wrote:<br>
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                          On 12/11/12 12:25 PM, Chris Ricks wrote:<br>
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                            Even if a merger of M2, iiNet and TPG
                            occurred, their traffic volume<br>
                            would not put them in a position to discuss
                            settlement-free or SKA<br>
                            peering with any of the GoF without
                            government intervention - that is<br>
                            the crux of the issue here.<br>
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                          I wouldn't put Verizon in the same box as the
                          other three. They have a<br>
                          written peering policy and if you satisfy the
                          policy via a test<br>
                          peering then you get to keep it.<br>
                          <br>
                          AAPT had a policy (I wrote the first version
                          :-) but it's a moving<br>
                          target, at least it was when I last tried to
                          use it to get peering.<br>
                          Telstra's peering policy is mission impossible
                          and Optus can't spell<br>
                          peering.<br>
                          <br>
                          Mark.<br>
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