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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">To my mind the win by these guys is not
      that they were or were prepared for every occurrence or that they
      did what needed to be done to keep it on line. All admirable. But
      the real win here was that they keep the communication lines open
      with their customers.<br>
      <br>
       There was no ducking and weaving the problem. The end result was
      they communicated the situation and that allowed some customers to
      help (in the way of providing the bucket brigade).  The lesson we
      can all learn here and i have said it before. Communicate with
      your customers. Dont Lie. Dont cover up. Unless you have been
      grossly negligent being transparent and giving the customers good
      timely information they will normaly forgive you. <br>
      <br>
      Matt.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
       On 2/11/12 2:18 PM, Christopher Pollock wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAK6biYicoO7-Bac+wEWVv2end9cqJVQSEMYoQ0jyzXGue6p8YQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">A++ post, would agree again.
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      <div>It's supremely easy to sit back and criticise people for not
        doing blank to prevent an outage or datacentre failure.  You
        don't have to peruse Whirlpool for long after any outage to hear
        people 'why didnt they do this or that'. And in a perfect world,
        our HA plans would all go exactly to plan and every scenario
        could be prepared for and anything in the world could happen and
        everything would be fine anyway.</div>
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      <div>The reality of it is, if you've spent any real amount of time
        building & managing datacentres or maintaining
        highly-available services, you know that a HA plan is really
        only as good as the circumstances you can feasibly spend money
        preparing for.  Sometimes it means running to Mitre 10 to buy
        their entire stock of fans.  Other times it means carrying
        hundreds of litres of diesel up a dark staircase.</div>
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      <div>There is basically no amount of money you can spend that
        guarantees your stuff won't fall over, so my hat is off to the
        people who got hit by a bad situation and put some hard work
        into staying online.</div>
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      <div>--<br>
        Christopher Pollock,<br>
        io Networks Pty Ltd.
        <div>e. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:chris@ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">chris@ionetworks.com.au</a><br>
          p. 1300 1 2 4 8 16</div>
        <div>d. 07 3188 7588</div>
        <div>
          m. 0410 747 765</div>
        <div>skype: christopherpollock</div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://twitter.com/chrisionetworks" target="_blank">twitter.com/chrisionetworks</a></div>
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          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.ionetworks.com.au" target="_blank">http://www.ionetworks.com.au</a><br>
            In-house, Outsourced.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Mark
          Newton <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">That's all very well and
              good, but it seems to me that they've just suffered a 100
              year storm and they stayed up.
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              <div>I'm sure you can armchair quarterback 'til the cows
                come home, but you're basically criticizing a success.</div>
              <div><br>
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                  <div class="im">
                    <div>On 02/11/2012, at 6:35 AM, Martin Hepworth <<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:maxsec@gmail.com" target="_blank">maxsec@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
                    <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">That still leaves them with
                      a single data centre, your DR should be in a
                      separate physical location at least 45 miles away
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                  <div>... if you're a bank.  Which they aren't.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Note also that you're talking about DR, but what
                    they've actually demonstrated is HA.  The article
                    already said that they had a DR plan to relocate
                    services to another datacentre; they didn't need to
                    invoke it because they didn't have a disaster, <i>because
                      they stayed up.</i></div>
                  <div><i><br>
                    </i></div>
                  <div>If they actually went 100% down, then brought
                    themselves up at another datacentre 6 hours later,
                    you'd be praising them for having a well thought out
                    old-school DR plan, right?</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>(some enterprises have DR plans which take
                    anything up to a week to execute.  DR != HA.)</div>
                  <div class="im">
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                      <div>This goes back to old school infosec on risk
                        and costs to business of outages. </div>
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                  <div>Yes, and also the cost of infrastructure.  One
                    doesn't protect one's fruit bowl with a $50,000
                    safe.</div>
                  <div class="im"><br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div>Problem with alot of the new facilities being
                        build on Saas/cloudy offerings is that theyve
                        grown so fast theyve nit done some of thr basics
                        and rely on luck to get out of problems!</div>
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                  The problem that SaaS/cloud offerings have is that
                  they're reliant on a software substrate that's rarely
                  been tested in true adversity, and therefore rely
                  quite a bit on trust.</div>
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                <div>When the chips are down, is your cloud provider as
                  good as they say they are?  </div>
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                    <div>  - mark</div>
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