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<div>Spot on.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, 2 November 2012 7:01 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Martin Hepworth <<a href="mailto:maxsec@gmail.com">maxsec@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [AusNOG] After Sandy Knocks Out Power, ... (huffingtonpost.com)<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Resent-From: </span>Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan.slattery@nextdc.com">bevan.slattery@nextdc.com</a>><br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">That's all very well and good, but it seems to me that they've just suffered a 100 year storm and they stayed up.
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<div>I'm sure you can armchair quarterback 'til the cows come home, but you're basically criticizing a success.</div>
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<div>On 02/11/2012, at 6:35 AM, Martin Hepworth <<a href="mailto:maxsec@gmail.com">maxsec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">That still leaves them with a single data centre, your DR should be in a separate physical location at least 45 miles away
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<div>... if you're a bank. Which they aren't.</div>
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<div>Note also that you're talking about DR, but what they've actually demonstrated is HA. The article already said that they had a DR plan to relocate services to another datacentre; they didn't need to invoke it because they didn't have a disaster,
<i>because they stayed up.</i></div>
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<div>If they actually went 100% down, then brought themselves up at another datacentre 6 hours later, you'd be praising them for having a well thought out old-school DR plan, right?</div>
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<div>(some enterprises have DR plans which take anything up to a week to execute. DR != HA.)</div>
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<div>This goes back to old school infosec on risk and costs to business of outages.
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<div>Yes, and also the cost of infrastructure. One doesn't protect one's fruit bowl with a $50,000 safe.</div>
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<div>Problem with alot of the new facilities being build on Saas/cloudy offerings is that theyve grown so fast theyve nit done some of thr basics and rely on luck to get out of problems!</div>
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The problem that SaaS/cloud offerings have is that they're reliant on a software substrate that's rarely been tested in true adversity, and therefore rely quite a bit on trust.</div>
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<div>When the chips are down, is your cloud provider as good as they say they are? </div>
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<div> - mark</div>
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