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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Sean,<br>
      <br>
      Thanks for your help with this. I really think I need to bury my
      head in some DNS training. Whilst I've been maintaining DNS
      servers for 17 years or so, I honestly couldn't say that I 'know'
      bind, or DNS in general. I guess it's one of those things (at
      least for a small ISP like me) like sendmail where you tend to
      educate yourself enough to get by, without really getting your
      hands dirty.<br>
      <br>
      I contacted my registrar and those nameservers now have valid glue
      records.<br>
      <br>
      I read your other comments with interest. I was more than a little
      bit dismayed at the relaxing of registration requirements on .au
      domains. For a long time our domains had a legitimacy that many of
      the other TLDs had given up for the increased revenue. Now .au is
      hardly different to .com with 'entrepreneurs' snapping up common
      words and phrases.<br>
      <br>
      I'm on the fence regarding domain privacy. There are legitimate
      reasons to use privacy but there are also many out there who would
      use it for the wrong reasons.<br>
      <br>
      Gary<br>
      <br>
      On 29/10/2012 11:05 AM, Sean K. Finn wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
            Gary,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
            short answer is ‘Talk to your <b>Registrar</b>’. If they
            can’t update the namservers IP’s or glue it through their
            web portal, they definitely have an interface with
            AusRegistry to do it manually, so don’t take any cr*p from
            them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You
            can verify for yourself once its complete from the </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/whois/whois_local.jsp?">http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/whois/whois_local.jsp?</a>
            Page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nameservers
            are one of the hardest things on the Internet to get a
            handle on, primarily because they are  one of the few things
            you HAVE to be shown how to do to do it <b>properly, </b>unlike
            most other things that you can learn yourself. If you’re
            never told, you don’t even know that you don’t know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(And
            for those of you who have had a beer with me in person and
            heard me talk about the fifteen ‘secrets’, this is one of
            them.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
            is also the only way to delegate a domain name to
            nameservers of its own subdomain.</span><b><o:p></o:p></b></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
            had huge problems years ago being able to maintain things
            through our registrar to the point where one of our sister
            companies had to become a registrar just so we could keep
            our own domains under control. ( Yes, it was a bit of
            overkill, but it was the only sure way we could maintain
            control as  the .au space was juvenile and in a state of
            flux at that time).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
            did consider challenging AusRegistry at one point if it
            became necessary, but, the AusReg management and day to day
            team do such a fantastic job with the .au namespace that it
            really isn’t necessary, you really can’t get any better in
            my opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Here’s
            an article from one of the AusReg guys showing that he
            actually gives a bit of a damn:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/groundswell-must-continue-to-oppose-greater-internet-control-20121023-282q7.html">http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/business-it/groundswell-must-continue-to-oppose-greater-internet-control-20121023-282q7.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
            thing there is a giant call for, and a giant resistance from
            AuDA and the .au aristocracy is domain privacy .au
            namespace. I personally think that domain ‘monetisation’ of
            .au which effectively allows anyone to put anything and sit
            on domain names, and trade the names themselves rather than
            trade on websites using the names was a bit of a wrong thing
            to do, but, it did generate a lot more revenue to keep the
            Administration of .au running smoothly. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            think part of the challenge with domain privacy on .au would
            be the increased amount of end customers that registrars and
            AuDA itself would have to put up with calling up to find out
            who owned a domain name, for whatever reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            think this is why AuDA are silently resisting allowing
            domain privacy on .au, but, it’s a double edged sword, they
            are happy to keep the increased revenue from allowing domain
            hoarders to renew each year, but are failing to deliver the
            features to protect the legitimate end users of .au domains
            privacy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.Au
            however has come a very long way. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Disclaimer:
            these are my personal opinions and not the opinions of my
            employer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                CAS Netlink Support [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:support@cbl.com.au">mailto:support@cbl.com.au</a>] <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 29, 2012 9:38 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Sean K. Finn<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>'<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Strange DNS issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Sean,<br>
            <br>
            It did eventually sort itself out on Sunday with the big T's
            DNS servers falling in to line, but the question does make
            me want to answer it with another question that may help me
            prevent this situation in the future. :)<br>
            <br>
            I did the TLD nameserver glue query and it returned a Host
            ID and hostname but no IP. To be honest, I didn't think the
            .au TLDs had/used glue records that I could alter. With
            .com, .net etc I've always kept those up to date but I've
            never really heard anything about .au glue or seen anywhere
            they can be maintained. The nameservers for the .net domain
            that had problems are .com.au hosts so I guess my next
            question is how do I fix the glue?<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            <br>
            Gary<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 29/10/2012 10:01 AM, Sean K. Finn
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Gary,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ll
              pose some obvious question, do the nameservers have
              appropriate glue records in the root, (or CC root) and are
              the domain’s NS Records matching the nameservers they are
              actually delegated to?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You
              can check TLD nameserver glue here:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.internic.net/whois.html">http://www.internic.net/whois.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Or,
              if the nameservers are .au nameservers, here</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/whois/whois_local.jsp?">http://whois.ausregistry.com.au/whois/whois_local.jsp?</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With
              the query string being “HOST ns1.domain.com.au”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Glue
              (HOST RECORD) response example for  “HOST NS1.net.au”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Whois
              response for <b>HOST ns1.net.au</b>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <table class="MsoNormalTable"
            style="margin-left:5.25pt;background:white" border="0"
            cellpadding="0">
            <tbody>
              <tr>
                <td
                  style="width:135.0pt;background:#EFEFEF;padding:3.75pt
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Host
                      ID</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </td>
                <td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">H0041281-AR</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              </tr>
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                <td
                  style="width:135.0pt;background:#EFEFEF;padding:3.75pt
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Host
                      Name</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </td>
                <td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt">
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ns1.net.au</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                </td>
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                      Address</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sometimes
              when the glue isn’t correct, and when the NS records don’t
              match where the domain name is delegated to, ‘strange’
              things happen, where the domain works from some places,
              but not others.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sean.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>CAS Netlink Support<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:41 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Strange DNS issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thanks
              Heinz. I lowered the refresh time yesterday and I've just
              seriously increased the serial. It has become a bit
              curiouser though. Telstra's lon-resolver.telstra.net
              appears to be returning the correct record when queried
              from a USA server:<br>
              <br>
              # dig @203.50.2.71 xxxxx.net any<br>
              <br>
              ; <<>> DiG 9.3.6-P1-RedHat-9.3.6-20.P1.el5_8.5
              <<>> @203.50.2.71 xxxxx.net any<br>
              ; (1 server found)<br>
              ;; global options:  printcmd<br>
              ;; Got answer:<br>
              ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
              NOERROR, id: 19922<br>
              ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 2,
              ADDITIONAL: 4<br>
              <br>
              However, when I query the same server from my client's
              firewall which is connected to Bigpond ADSL, it fails:<br>
              <br>
              t# dig @203.50.2.71 xxxxx.net any<br>
              <br>
              ; <<>> DiG 9.5.1-P2 <<>>
              @203.50.2.71 xxxxx.net any<br>
              ; (1 server found)<br>
              ;; global options:  printcmd<br>
              ;; Got answer:<br>
              ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status:
              SERVFAIL, id: 40361<br>
              ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0,
              ADDITIONAL: 0<br>
              <br>
              I've never seen this sort of weirdness before. DNS seemed
              so much easier when Robert Elz was running the show :).<br>
              <br>
              Gary<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On 28/10/2012 1:12 PM, Heinz N wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Am I right in thinking it is probably
                that the domain had a long expire time? The refresh was
                set to 86400, but it seems like it is being ignored or
                it doesn't figure in how long DNS servers will wait
                before refreshing the domain. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
              A few years ago I hade a similar problem when redelegating
              domains where telstra was the secondary. I had a too long
              refresh time and it seemed that their DNS only updated
              according to the longest number: refresh or retry (this is
              just my opinion). Everyone else's DNSs queried my
              authorative host and got the redelegations but the
              secondary (telstra) didn't for quite some time. This
              problem was my fault and now I have everything set at 1hr
              (except expire which is set much longer). <br>
              <br>
              I resorted to adding new host A records into those domains
              and doing a dig @nsX.telstra.XXXX on those host.domain in
              order to force their DNS to re-query the zone records.
              This didn't trigger a zone transfer unfortunately, but the
              new hosts did then appear. I used them until the full zone
              transfer finally happened. (This is a bit difficult if
              your "www" A record is the one not updating). <br>
              <br>
              PS. Don't forget to update your Zone record serial number.
              You might even try increasing it in order to try to
              trigger a full refresh. <br>
              <br>
              Regards, <br>
              Heinz N. <br>
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