hetzner is indeed cheap, but there are a couple reasons for that. first being warez, they are an unofficial haven. second being in germany, the shared largest public IX in the world.<div><br></div><div>speeds are good, as they are from other budget providers like OVH, redstation, swiftway, etc, but if you are doing NZ/AU hosting for latency reasons, obviously they doesn't help. if it isn't for latency, then for sure someone like hetzner might be a good choice. make sure you realise they are budget though, and not enterprise grade, just in case you were thinking to host million dollar websites on a 60 euro server :)<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellego.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Simon,<div><br></div><div>Some think US pricing is good... but after a review, I've just shutdown my US servers and in the process of shutting down some AU ones and moving them all to Germany.</div><div><br></div><div>
I found this place called Hetzner.de which have the most amazing prices I've ever seen.</div><div><br></div><div>Fully dedicated (non-Virtual) servers. I have 1 * EX4 and 1 * EX4S</div><div><br></div><div>The EX4S is:</div>
<div><br></div><div>Intel i2600-Quad Core</div><div>32GB of RAM</div><div>2 * 3TB Hard drives with RAID1</div><div>1 * IPv4 address (you can get more by paying)</div><div>1 * /64 IPv6</div><div>Connection: 100mb (can be upgraded to 1Gb for EUR39 which ups the included data below to 15TB)</div>
<div>Data Included: 10TB (10,000 GB) - after exceeding that they reduce you to a 10MB pipe and you pay about AU$10 for each extra 1TB... This is for OUTGOING traffic only - incoming not counted.</div><div>Backup: 100Gb off server included.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Oh, this is for EUR59 (AU$71 or NZ$91) per month.</div><div><br></div><div>That is one of the small servers. You can get an EX10 with i7-3930K-Hexcore with 64GB of RAM - rest the same for EUR109 (AU$131 or NZ$168)</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you wanted to setup a VMware server it can be done, but its a little more effort.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes... I am sure most people will have the same response I did when I found these guys. They are pretty awesome. Check out the url <a href="http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex" target="_blank">http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>It isn't the best latency for dealing with Australia, but I think US is fine. I think the speed is amazing.</div><div><br></div><div>Some traceroutes.</div><div><br></div><div><div>[root@server01 ~]# traceroute 8.8.8.8</div>
<div>traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets</div><div> 1 <a href="http://static.1.144.9.176.clients.your-server.de" target="_blank">static.1.144.9.176.clients.your-server.de</a> (176.9.144.1) 1.186 ms 1.231 ms 1.259 ms</div>
<div> 2 <a href="http://hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.223.225) 0.130 ms <a href="http://hos-tr3.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr3.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.223.193) 0.451 ms <a href="http://hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.223.225) 0.125 ms</div>
<div> 3 <a href="http://hos-bb2.juniper4.ffm.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-bb2.juniper4.ffm.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.240.150) 5.788 ms 5.782 ms 5.782 ms</div><div> 4 <a href="http://de-cix10.net.google.com" target="_blank">de-cix10.net.google.com</a> (80.81.192.108) 5.601 ms 5.110 ms 5.572 ms</div>
<div> 5 209.85.241.110 (209.85.241.110) 5.573 ms 5.706 ms <a href="tel:209.85.240.64" value="+12098524064" target="_blank">209.85.240.64</a> <a href="tel:%28209.85.240.64" value="+12098524064" target="_blank">(209.85.240.64</a>) 5.056 ms</div>
<div> 6 72.14.236.68 (72.14.236.68) 6.955 ms 72.14.239.60 (72.14.239.60) 6.421 ms 72.14.239.62 (72.14.239.62) 6.898 ms</div>
<div> 7 209.85.254.114 (209.85.254.114) 6.091 ms 209.85.254.116 (209.85.254.116) 5.716 ms 5.864 ms</div><div> 8 * * *</div><div> 9 <a href="http://google-public-dns-a.google.com" target="_blank">google-public-dns-a.google.com</a> (8.8.8.8) 6.080 ms 6.315 ms 6.061 ms</div>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>[root@server01 ~]# traceroute 4.2.2.1</div><div>traceroute to 4.2.2.1 (4.2.2.1), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets</div><div> 1 <a href="http://static.1.144.9.176.clients.your-server.de" target="_blank">static.1.144.9.176.clients.your-server.de</a> (176.9.144.1) 1.194 ms 1.199 ms 1.227 ms</div>
<div> 2 <a href="http://hos-tr1.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr1.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.222.65) 0.166 ms <a href="http://hos-tr2.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr2.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.222.97) 0.119 ms <a href="http://hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.223.225) 0.131 ms</div>
<div> 3 <a href="http://hos-bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.240.224) 4.803 ms <a href="http://hos-bb2.juniper4.ffm.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-bb2.juniper4.ffm.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.240.150) 5.829 ms <a href="http://hos-bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-bb1.juniper1.ffm.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.240.224) 4.791 ms</div>
<div> 4 <a href="http://s10-0-0-24.london2-cr2.bbnplanet.net" target="_blank">s10-0-0-24.london2-cr2.bbnplanet.net</a> (195.16.162.93) 5.151 ms 5.151 ms <a href="http://core-backbone-gw.level3.net" target="_blank">core-backbone-gw.level3.net</a> (195.16.162.69) 24.008 ms</div>
<div> 5 <a href="http://a.resolvers.level3.net" target="_blank">a.resolvers.level3.net</a> (4.2.2.1) 5.584 ms 5.183 ms 5.553 ms</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>[root@server01 ~]# traceroute <a href="http://bigpond.com.au" target="_blank">bigpond.com.au</a></div>
<div>traceroute to <a href="http://bigpond.com.au" target="_blank">bigpond.com.au</a> (144.135.18.32), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets</div><div> 1 <a href="http://static.1.144.9.176.clients.your-server.de" target="_blank">static.1.144.9.176.clients.your-server.de</a> (176.9.144.1) 3.965 ms 3.975 ms 3.996 ms</div>
<div> 2 <a href="http://hos-tr2.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr2.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.222.97) 0.125 ms <a href="http://hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr4.juniper2.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.223.225) 0.116 ms <a href="http://hos-tr2.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-tr2.juniper1.rz16.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.222.97) 0.138 ms</div>
<div> 3 <a href="http://hos-bb2.juniper4.ffm.hetzner.de" target="_blank">hos-bb2.juniper4.ffm.hetzner.de</a> (213.239.240.150) 5.797 ms 5.799 ms 5.787 ms</div><div> 4 <a href="http://core-backbone-gw.level3.net" target="_blank">core-backbone-gw.level3.net</a> (195.16.162.69) 5.585 ms 5.553 ms 5.571 ms</div>
<div> 5 <a href="http://vlan90.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net" target="_blank">vlan90.csw4.Frankfurt1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.154.254) 5.645 ms <a href="http://vlan70.csw2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net" target="_blank">vlan70.csw2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.154.126) 5.626 ms <a href="http://vlan80.csw3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net" target="_blank">vlan80.csw3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.154.190) 16.850 ms</div>
<div> 6 <a href="http://ae-62-62.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-62-62.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.140.17) 5.606 ms <a href="http://ae-92-92.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-92-92.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.140.29) 9.807 ms <a href="http://ae-72-72.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-72-72.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.140.21) 5.547 ms</div>
<div> 7 <a href="http://ae-22-22.ebr2.London1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-22-22.ebr2.London1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.148.189) 15.337 ms <a href="http://ae-23-23.ebr2.London1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-23-23.ebr2.London1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.148.193) 15.304 ms <a href="http://ae-22-22.ebr2.London1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-22-22.ebr2.London1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.148.189) 15.314 ms</div>
<div> 8 <a href="http://ae-41-41.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-41-41.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.137.66) 83.713 ms 83.725 ms <a href="http://ae-42-42.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-42-42.ebr1.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.137.70) 83.701 ms</div>
<div> 9 <a href="http://ae-71-71.csw2.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-71-71.csw2.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.134.70) 93.264 ms <a href="http://ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-61-61.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.134.66) 83.676 ms 83.667 ms</div>
<div>10 <a href="http://ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.148.33) 84.066 ms <a href="http://ae-82-82.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-82-82.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.148.41) 84.056 ms <a href="http://ae-92-92.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-92-92.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.148.45) 84.023 ms</div>
<div>11 4.69.135.185 (4.69.135.185) 152.110 ms 152.082 ms 152.896 ms</div><div>12 <a href="http://ae-91-91.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-91-91.csw4.SanJose1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.153.14) 151.918 ms <a href="http://ae-71-71.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-71-71.csw2.SanJose1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.153.6) 151.923 ms <a href="http://ae-81-81.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-81-81.csw3.SanJose1.Level3.net</a> (4.69.153.10) 160.770 ms</div>
<div>13 <a href="http://ae-2-70.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-2-70.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net</a> (4.69.152.80) 152.494 ms <a href="http://ae-3-80.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-3-80.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net</a> (4.69.152.144) 152.465 ms <a href="http://ae-4-90.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net" target="_blank">ae-4-90.edge1.SanJose3.Level3.net</a> (4.69.152.208) 152.438 ms</div>
<div>14 <a href="http://i-2-5-peer.eqnx02.pr.telstraglobal.net" target="_blank">i-2-5-peer.eqnx02.pr.telstraglobal.net</a> (134.159.62.197) 152.448 ms 152.422 ms <a href="http://i-4-3-peer.eqnx02.pr.telstraglobal.net" target="_blank">i-4-3-peer.eqnx02.pr.telstraglobal.net</a> (134.159.61.5) 152.585 ms</div>
<div>15 <a href="http://i-0-3-4-0.eqnx-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net" target="_blank">i-0-3-4-0.eqnx-core01.bi.telstraglobal.net</a> <a href="tel:%28202.84.251.86" value="+12028425186" target="_blank">(202.84.251.86</a>) 153.179 ms 153.155 ms 152.934 ms</div>
<div>16 <a href="http://i-0-4-0-0.sydp-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net" target="_blank">i-0-4-0-0.sydp-core01.bx.telstraglobal.net</a> <a href="tel:%28202.84.143.14" value="+12028414314" target="_blank">(202.84.143.14</a>) 345.835 ms 345.824 ms 345.793 ms</div>
<div>17 <a href="http://TenGige0-1-0-12.pad-gw1.Sydney.telstra.net" target="_blank">TenGige0-1-0-12.pad-gw1.Sydney.telstra.net</a> <a href="tel:%28203.50.13.145" value="+12035013145" target="_blank">(203.50.13.145</a>) 347.028 ms 347.008 ms 346.978 ms</div>
<div>18 <a href="http://Bundle-Ether3.chw-core2.Sydney.telstra.net" target="_blank">Bundle-Ether3.chw-core2.Sydney.telstra.net</a> (203.50.6.26) 347.170 ms 349.164 ms 349.129 ms</div>
<div>19 <a href="http://TenGigabitEthernet8-1.pit2.Sydney.telstra.net" target="_blank">TenGigabitEthernet8-1.pit2.Sydney.telstra.net</a> <a href="tel:%28203.50.20.184" value="+12035020184" target="_blank">(203.50.20.184</a>) 348.483 ms 348.535 ms 348.232 ms</div>
<div>20 <a href="http://pitt-tcom-r02.lnk.telstra.net" target="_blank">pitt-tcom-r02.lnk.telstra.net</a> (139.130.41.70) 353.015 ms 352.745 ms 353.040 ms</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Simon Lyall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon@darkmere.gen.nz" target="_blank">simon@darkmere.gen.nz</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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So since the latest wisdom seems to be that we should give up hosting servers in NZ and instead put machines in Syd/Mel I thought I'd look at the Australian dedicated/virtual hosting costs.<br>
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What I've been buying in Europe/US is dedicated servers from 2nd tier vendors with 4G of RAM and minimal other specs. The big thing I'm after is bandwidth and I find I can get $100/month for 5TB on 100Mb/s or $200/month for 10TB on 1Gb/s . Those are good deals, the mid-market is $50-$100/month higher.<br>
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Looking around about a dozen Australian providers nobody seems to be offering over 1TB/month until I get over $500/month.<br>
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Note: My traffic would 99% to Aus and NZ.<br>
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So my big question is:<br>
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Are Australian bandwidth costs still so high that I'm not going to get anything remotely like EU/US pricing any time soon?<br>
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Note to sales guys: I'm not going to be buying in the next month or two so please don't mail me the hard sell, if you have good prices online that I've missed then tell me. For this sort of purchase I work on the principle of going with vendors who list their prices online and do things automatically to keep costs low rather than building in salesman's margins.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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