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    My understanding is that a 'preservation order' can be put in place
    without judicial oversight, but that it is subsequently required to
    obtain access to the data. The sentiment of the act seems to be "We
    can't get warrants quickly enough and the bad guize are getting away
    because of it."<br>
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    IMO this is a fallacious argument given the low rates of terrorism,
    on-shore "cyber crime" and paedophilia charges/convictions we
    observe here. The argument, of course, will be that the law is
    intended to protect Australians from evil predators overseas.<br>
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    In a country with one of the highest telecommunications interception
    rates in the world it's obviously only a matter of time before it's
    heavily abused. I don't have the figures in front of me, but the
    actual number of orders issued is abso-f....-lutely mind blowing. I
    did some back-of-a-napkin calculations once and estimated that,
    based on the raw figures, ~ 1% of all Australian citizens had been
    the subject of an interception order at one time or another.<br>
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    This is particularly concerning given that we semi-regularly observe
    governments attempt to retrospectively implement legislation to deal
    with perceived offenses. I'd bet my house we see a case where data
    is intercepted, a law is retrospectively implemented to deal with a
    perceived offense and someone is subsequently charged on the basis
    of that data.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/08/12 9:16 AM, Peter Adkins
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      <div>Trying to avoid leaping over the bounds of the list charter
        here but, the article does not mention which laws were passed. I
        think they may be referring to the 'Cybercrime Legislation
        Amendment Bill 2011' which passed the senate yesterday*</div>
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      <div>From a quick gloss over, it appears to be a set
        of amendments to the existing lawful interception obligations as
        part of the telecommunication act - among others. The slightly
        worrying part is the addition of sections in order to allow
        'foreign countries' access to interception capabilities if
        certain conditions are met, and the request is approved by the
        attorney-general. The amendment specifically mentions that the
        capability may be made available even if the foreign country in
        question is seeking the death penalty for the perpetrator**.</div>
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      <div>This latter part does seems a bit rough...</div>
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      <div>- Peter  </div>
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        * <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.zdnet.com/au/cybercrime-bill-passes-senate-set-to-become-law-7000002971/">http://www.zdnet.com/au/cybercrime-bill-passes-senate-set-to-become-law-7000002971/</a> <br>
        ** Part IIIB / 15D - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011B00116/Html/Text#_Toc295992947">http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2011B00116/Html/Text#_Toc295992947</a> 
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            On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Kai <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              New law to control cyber data<br>
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              Scope creep here we come.<br>
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