Also, all this "in the cloud" thing assumes that it's secure.. what about an exploit/attack that allows free reign over these devices? It was bad enough when there were bots in our client machines, what about the infrastructure?<div>
<br></div><div>James<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 June 2012 16:02, Burt Mascareigne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:burt@prioritycomputer.com.au" target="_blank">burt@prioritycomputer.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">How much abuse of your Freedom will it take for you stop apologising for multination companies abusing you?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Would you stop at Enterprise gear?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As an IT admin,� I would love if all my Cisco switches,� Routers everything were all centrally managed from a pretty Web Interface�� do I want to allow Cisco
free reign though my network for it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Cisco is �embolden� to just do what ever the f. they want.�� It helps their cause when people likes you say �</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt">I'd say tough
luck to the advanced user</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">�
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Security flaws in other vendor gear is not a reason to take over your routers, saying the avg. user is too stupid to manage their own router is a fair point,
but,� when do you stop?� I�ve had to fix other IT �Professionals� router mistakes all the time� should Cisco anticipate that �professionals� are retarded too and throw mid range business gear to their �cloud�,� I mean, some technicians don�t even know IOS�I
know right? Retards!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I can say this,� I will NOT be buying new Cisco gear,� even for our Datacentre,� I�ll go and get crappy 2561XM or 3650 or something to do the job.� I�ll buy
a few spare units,� (with the saving) so if they die on me,� I�ll just replace it, or do fail-over or,� whatever�. Maybe I�ll even go Juniper��..how ever you get those things to work o_O<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We are moving to Astaro anyways,�
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But I will not buy new Cisco�s,� 0%
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 30 June 2012 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Wilkins<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">A consumer grade product with new consumer orientated features<br>
becoming available.<br>
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I see there are many concerns about security. I'd say tough luck to<br>
the advanced user. Hopefully Cisco has made a step forward in the ease<br>
of use and protecting the average users. The security flaws in common<br>
consumer based gear such as D-Link and Netgear is shocking.<br>
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David.<br>
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On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/29/1425210/cisco-pushing-cloud-connect-router-firmware-allows-web-history-tracking" target="_blank">
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