<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I quote from <a href="http://exchange.telstra.com.au/2012/06/27/update-on-telstras-mobile-cyber-safety-tool/">http://exchange.telstra.com.au/2012/06/27/update-on-telstras-mobile-cyber-safety-tool/</a> :</div><div><br></div><div>"We understand our customers’ concerns about protecting their privacy online and are serious about keeping trust on this front by being transparent about the way we deal with customer data."</div><div><br></div>Doesn't everyone feel the concern? No actual apology for this behaviour, just faux-concern after complete dismissal just a day ago.<br><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 27/06/2012, at 1:01 PM, Chris Hurley wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Mmmm I think if you move from the position of common carrier by inspecting/<br>tracking information "too" closely then aren't you stepping into the film<br>industries anti piracy position. If you are doing this then I can see their<br>lawyers lining up and saying your encouraging/aiding piracy.<br>Just a thought. <br><br><br>On 27/06/12 1:17 PM, "Geoff Huston" <<a href="mailto:gih@apnic.net">gih@apnic.net</a>> wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">Somehow we've managed to cross a dangerous line in the last few years. It used<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to be that carriers operated under the ethos, if not the regulatory framework,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of a common carrier. These days it seems to be a pervasive attitude of "all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">your packets belong to us."<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I think its encouraging that there is still a body of opinion that thinks its<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">unethical, and even plain wrong, for a carrier to track its customers so<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">intensely. Moving customer data across borders to other legislative regimes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">may be convenient but what protections accompany the data export? Does a US<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">regulatory framework protect the rights to privacy for individuals who are to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">them simply "aliens"?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I think the sarcastic tone from the <a href="http://news.com">news.com</a> story is ill-placed - the issues<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">relating to a right to expect a common carriage service to be used by common<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">customer within basic terms of integrity and privacy of use are important<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">underlying issues here. Having a common carriage provider spy of your every<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">move via a third party operating in a different regulatory and legal regime,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and presumably then position this offshore third party in a unique position to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">monetize this collected information, is not exactly a healthy development as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">far as I can tell.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 27/06/2012, at 4:27 AM, Christopher Pollock wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The tone of that <a href="http://news.com.au">news.com.au</a> article is unsettling, mostly because it can't<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">decide whether it's being sarcastic or not. It seems to be both<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">simultaneously mocking everyone for being concerned about what appears to be<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">extremely concern-worthy behaviour but then goes on to then treat the same<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">concerns as legitimate when coming from a politician.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Expert opinions and observations coming from a group like this are going to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be far more accurate and well-founded than those of a politician, and I'm a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">little insulted for both the list and MMC that <a href="http://News.com.au">News.com.au</a> are treating this<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">like the behaviour was not worthy of being investigated; as if we're all<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">silly for going WHOA HANG ON A SEC WHAT when presented with some seriously<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">shifty-looking requests.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">AusNOG mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></blockquote><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>