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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">The some what scarey part is that had
      Telstra batched this info off on a weekly basis and it not been
      done in real time chances are we would still be oblivious. <br>
      <br>
      Im guessing within the T&C's that im sure we all agreed to but
      didn't read they are likely to have permission to do whatever they
      want with the data. There are some laws however that deal directly
      with carriers and there are certain privacy laws that apply to
      carrier's only. Without making at $5000  call to someone in the
      legal field im not sure I can confirm that.  <br>
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      One thing I would think would be correct is that if US Music/Film
      studio a) sends a subpoena to Telstra's outsourced data miner
      company b in the US to hand over all there data so they can trawl
      it for url's of torrent sites. Im guessing they would be compelled
      to hand over the data without question. <br>
      <br>
      Matt.<br>
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       On 27/06/12 1:42 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAMtDJDK3o+B-7SU83J82uN5WsTOKoqgr0JrTbzaoQAgizafc9w@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">Marketing/PR spin, they don't want to admit fault.<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Matthew
        Moyle-Croft <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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            <div>I quote from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://exchange.telstra.com.au/2012/06/27/update-on-telstras-mobile-cyber-safety-tool/"
                target="_blank">http://exchange.telstra.com.au/2012/06/27/update-on-telstras-mobile-cyber-safety-tool/</a> :</div>
            <div><br>
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            <div>"We understand our customers’ concerns about protecting
              their privacy online and are serious about keeping trust
              on this front by being transparent about the way we deal
              with customer data."</div>
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            Doesn't everyone feel the concern?  No actual apology for
            this behaviour, just faux-concern after complete dismissal
            just a day ago.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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                <div>MMC</div>
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                    <div>On 27/06/2012, at 1:01 PM, Chris Hurley wrote:</div>
                    <br>
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                      <div>Mmmm I think if you move from the position of
                        common carrier by inspecting/<br>
                        tracking information "too" closely then aren't
                        you stepping into the film<br>
                        industries anti piracy position. If you are
                        doing this then I can see their<br>
                        lawyers lining up and saying your
                        encouraging/aiding piracy.<br>
                        Just a thought. <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On 27/06/12 1:17 PM, "Geoff Huston" <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:gih@apnic.net" target="_blank">gih@apnic.net</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">Somehow we've managed to
                          cross a dangerous line in the last few years.
                          It used<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">to be that carriers
                          operated under the ethos, if not the
                          regulatory framework,<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">of a common carrier.
                          These days it seems to be a pervasive attitude
                          of "all<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">your packets belong to
                          us."<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">I think its encouraging
                          that there is still a body of opinion that
                          thinks its<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">unethical, and even
                          plain wrong, for a carrier to track its
                          customers so<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">intensely. Moving
                          customer data across borders to other
                          legislative regimes<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">may be convenient but
                          what protections accompany the data export?
                          Does a US<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">regulatory framework
                          protect the rights to privacy for individuals
                          who are to<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">them simply "aliens"?<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">I think the sarcastic
                          tone from the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://news.com" target="_blank">news.com</a>
                          story is ill-placed - the issues<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">relating to a right to
                          expect a common carriage service to be used by
                          common<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">customer within basic
                          terms of integrity and privacy of use are
                          important<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">underlying issues here.
                          Having a common carriage provider spy of your
                          every<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">move via a third party
                          operating in a different regulatory and legal
                          regime,<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">and presumably then
                          position this offshore third party in a unique
                          position to<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">monetize this collected
                          information, is not exactly a healthy
                          development as<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">far as I can tell.<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">On 27/06/2012, at 4:27
                          AM, Christopher Pollock wrote:<br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite"><br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">The tone of that <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://news.com.au" target="_blank">news.com.au</a>
                            article is unsettling, mostly because it
                            can't<br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">decide whether it's
                            being sarcastic or not.  It seems to be both<br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">simultaneously mocking
                            everyone for being concerned about what
                            appears to be<br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">extremely
                            concern-worthy behaviour but then goes on to
                            then treat the same<br>
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                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            concerns as legitimate when coming from a
                            politician.<br>
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                          <blockquote type="cite"><br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">Expert opinions and
                            observations coming from a group like this
                            are going to<br>
                          </blockquote>
                        </blockquote>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">be far more accurate
                            and well-founded than those of a politician,
                            and I'm a<br>
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                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            little insulted for both the list and MMC
                            that <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://News.com.au" target="_blank">News.com.au</a>
                            are treating this<br>
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                          <blockquote type="cite">like the behaviour was
                            not worthy of being investigated; as if
                            we're all<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <blockquote type="cite">silly for going WHOA
                            HANG ON A SEC WHAT when presented with some
                            seriously<br>
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