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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">The some what scarey part is that had
Telstra batched this info off on a weekly basis and it not been
done in real time chances are we would still be oblivious. <br>
<br>
Im guessing within the T&C's that im sure we all agreed to but
didn't read they are likely to have permission to do whatever they
want with the data. There are some laws however that deal directly
with carriers and there are certain privacy laws that apply to
carrier's only. Without making at $5000 call to someone in the
legal field im not sure I can confirm that. <br>
<br>
One thing I would think would be correct is that if US Music/Film
studio a) sends a subpoena to Telstra's outsourced data miner
company b in the US to hand over all there data so they can trawl
it for url's of torrent sites. Im guessing they would be compelled
to hand over the data without question. <br>
<br>
Matt.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 27/06/12 1:42 PM, Joshua D'Alton wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAMtDJDK3o+B-7SU83J82uN5WsTOKoqgr0JrTbzaoQAgizafc9w@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Marketing/PR spin, they don't want to admit fault.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Matthew
Moyle-Croft <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I quote from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://exchange.telstra.com.au/2012/06/27/update-on-telstras-mobile-cyber-safety-tool/"
target="_blank">http://exchange.telstra.com.au/2012/06/27/update-on-telstras-mobile-cyber-safety-tool/</a> :</div>
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<div>"We understand our customers’ concerns about protecting
their privacy online and are serious about keeping trust
on this front by being transparent about the way we deal
with customer data."</div>
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Doesn't everyone feel the concern? No actual apology for
this behaviour, just faux-concern after complete dismissal
just a day ago.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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<div>MMC</div>
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<div>On 27/06/2012, at 1:01 PM, Chris Hurley wrote:</div>
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<div>Mmmm I think if you move from the position of
common carrier by inspecting/<br>
tracking information "too" closely then aren't
you stepping into the film<br>
industries anti piracy position. If you are
doing this then I can see their<br>
lawyers lining up and saying your
encouraging/aiding piracy.<br>
Just a thought. <br>
<br>
<br>
On 27/06/12 1:17 PM, "Geoff Huston" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gih@apnic.net" target="_blank">gih@apnic.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Somehow we've managed to
cross a dangerous line in the last few years.
It used<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">to be that carriers
operated under the ethos, if not the
regulatory framework,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">of a common carrier.
These days it seems to be a pervasive attitude
of "all<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">your packets belong to
us."<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I think its encouraging
that there is still a body of opinion that
thinks its<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">unethical, and even
plain wrong, for a carrier to track its
customers so<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">intensely. Moving
customer data across borders to other
legislative regimes<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">may be convenient but
what protections accompany the data export?
Does a US<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">regulatory framework
protect the rights to privacy for individuals
who are to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">them simply "aliens"?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I think the sarcastic
tone from the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://news.com" target="_blank">news.com</a>
story is ill-placed - the issues<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">relating to a right to
expect a common carriage service to be used by
common<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">customer within basic
terms of integrity and privacy of use are
important<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">underlying issues here.
Having a common carriage provider spy of your
every<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">move via a third party
operating in a different regulatory and legal
regime,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">and presumably then
position this offshore third party in a unique
position to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">monetize this collected
information, is not exactly a healthy
development as<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">far as I can tell.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">On 27/06/2012, at 4:27
AM, Christopher Pollock wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">The tone of that <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://news.com.au" target="_blank">news.com.au</a>
article is unsettling, mostly because it
can't<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">decide whether it's
being sarcastic or not. It seems to be both<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">simultaneously mocking
everyone for being concerned about what
appears to be<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">extremely
concern-worthy behaviour but then goes on to
then treat the same<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
concerns as legitimate when coming from a
politician.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Expert opinions and
observations coming from a group like this
are going to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">be far more accurate
and well-founded than those of a politician,
and I'm a<br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
little insulted for both the list and MMC
that <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://News.com.au" target="_blank">News.com.au</a>
are treating this<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">like the behaviour was
not worthy of being investigated; as if
we're all<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">silly for going WHOA
HANG ON A SEC WHAT when presented with some
seriously<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
shifty-looking requests.<br>
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