<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>/for the record<br><br>This is the same pong as the BT/Phorm 'experiments' of a few years ago right down to the "we didn't tell you because we're just testing / we were going to tell you later " bullcrap.<br><br>http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/01/eu-online-privacy<br><br>Phorm were determined to inflict Webwise on an unknowing public in a callous act of <span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 15px; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline ! important; float: none;">unadulterated</span> greed that would have succeeded were it not for the global reaction that followed.<br><br>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm<br><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br><br><hr id="zwchr"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">It's not clear:<div><br></div><div>(a) Why this is any better as an explanation?</div><div>(b) That this clarifies if this is legal - harvesting information from a telecommunications service AND passing that to a 3rd party offshore seems marginal at best. Certainly as some of these links are not ones that, say, are visible to a search engine or public, and thus aren't that anonymous. </div><div><br></div><div>"However, Telstra has since clarified that the activity was conducted ahead of a launch of a voluntary web filtering offering for mobile users."</div><div><br></div><div>Except that this isn't voluntary - this is something that has been turned on without warning, without the ability to opt out.</div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 26/06/2012, at 2:00 PM, James Hutchinson wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div lang="EN-AU"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">An update for those interested:</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/306441,telstra-tracks-users-to-build-web-filter.aspx" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/306441,telstra-tracks-users-to-build-web-filter.aspx</a></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">James Hutchinson</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Journalist</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="http://www.itnews.com.au/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">iTnews</a></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top: 1pt solid rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;" lang="EN-US"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Shaun Ewing<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 26 June 2012 9:54 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Aaron Wigley<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?</span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">On 26/06/2012, at 9:28 AM, Aaron Wigley wrote:</div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><br><br></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif;">As of 09:18 AEST, we are still seeing this duplicated clickstream traffic</span></span><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif;"><br><span class="apple-style-span">from</span></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">I've just done a co-ordinated test with Seamus Ryan against two hosts that we respectively control.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">If I hit both, there's nothing beyond my initial request.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">If Seamus hits both, the request is immediately followed up by a host in Rackspace.</div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"> </div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">Could it be rolling out based on location? 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