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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If your testing two phones/apn’s/browsers etc etc etc, you need to use a different URL on each, as the pages are cached the first time round and not requested again. </span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On my iphone 4s when i use safari it does the two requests. but another browser that I use most the time Atomic. Only does one request. Curiouser and Curiouser.<br><br><br><br><br> On 25/06/12 6:21 PM, Seamus Ryan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Both using telstra.iph<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am quite puzzled. <br><br>Sent from my <insert "i" device here><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 25/06/2012, at 5:35 PM, "Matthew Moyle-Croft" <<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Which APN is that using? <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 25/06/2012, at 4:56 PM, Seamus Ryan wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Interesting, I saw the exact same results.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just to throw a spanner in the works (if it’s not already), I only noticed the mentioned behaviour when using my personal Telstra mobile.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My business/work supplied Telstra mobile was not followed up by a request from any additional IP’s</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Needs more foil….</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Seamus</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Joseph Goldman<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, 25 June 2012 4:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Through a 40~ odd minute phone call, I was able to speak to a chap in `Level 2 Technical Support`, who has confirmed for me that it is a part of Telstra's core system, where they track the websites you have visited for bill reporting purposes.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><br><br> In other words, I confirmed with the chap (I have a reference for this call), that he could request billing to show a list of websites I have visited and how long I was on those websites.<br><br> He informed me that these services hitting the same website is tied in with that system.<br><br> It doesn't make sense why they would hit the site again as a GET, as they could pull this from a transparent proxy, and the purpose of scraping the website to gain extra insight about what i'm browsing, would suggest they would keep the path/query string instead of just hitting the root of the site, to actually see what content I am browsing.<br><br> I was also informed that I can not opt-out of this occurring, so I plan to contact ACCC or TIO in the morning to see what they can tell me about the practise (who would you think is better?).<br><br>Interesting indeed.<br><br>On 25/06/12 3:38 PM, James Nicol wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eric, you should check this out.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-maps-coordinate-tracks-employees-339340095.htm">http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-maps-coordinate-tracks-employees-339340095.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;border-width:initial;border-color:initial'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> </span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Eric Pinkerton<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, 25 June 2012 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Matt Perkins;<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>></span>Could it be that telstra are passing your browsing history in real time to a marketing company who are then looking at the site to gather some sort of marking info on the site you were just looking at.<br>Would explain why they are not looking at there own cache.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Last night I had a dream. I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from my life. 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