<html><head><base href="x-msg://797/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I can replicate it across APNs as well. Disappointing that they're not honest about what and why they're doing it. Transparency isn't just for HTTP proxying!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 25/06/2012, at 9:20 AM, Eric Pinkerton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Ausnoggers..<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Whilst there is a lot of tin foil hattery and other spasticity on this WP Thread,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1935438" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1935438</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- the questions it throws up have made me curious, esp given Telstra’s official response in the following article “<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/305928,telstra-says-its-not-spying-on-users.aspx" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/305928,telstra-says-its-not-spying-on-users.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i><o:p> </o:p></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i>“<span style="color: black; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">But in a short statement, Telstra’s senior media boss Craig Middleton said the company’s wireless network management assured that “there is nothing untoward in what the Whirlpool member has observed -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>it is a normal network operation”<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>NOTHING TO SEE HEAR MOVE ALONG.<o:p></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i><span style="color: black; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US">In short, if you make a request to a web server on port 80 from a Telstra mobile, you’ll see a request immediately after your legit request from the Telstra gateway that originates from a US IP address hosted at Rackspace.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); ">Legit request..<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); ">58.163.xxx.xxx - - [24/Jun/2012:23:12:09 +0000] "GET /test101 HTTP/1.1" 404 464 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B206 Safari/7534.48.3"<o:p></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><b><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Curious identical request follows…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><i><span lang="EN-US" style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); ">50.57.190.97 - - [24/Jun/2012:23:12:09 +0000] "GET /test101 HTTP/1.0" 404 526 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0"</span></i><b><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Whilst I accept this is probably benign, and can think of several reasons why the output of such a process might be of value to Telstra, I find myself less convinced than a certain senior media boss seems to be that this is “<i>a normal network operation”.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>To me normal would be to say pull this info straight from the proxy server.<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span style="color: black; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Also, just to be awkward, I am curious as to why a cloud provider, would be using what looks a lot like a cluster of VPS’s in someone else’s cloud based out of Texas ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Also why is there a black helicopter hovering above me?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">So many questions….<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Discuss!<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; 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