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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Assuming results are on the money (which seems fair – someone’s even tested it with the same phone and found behaviour only effects the Telstra sim), I honestly can’t see how this would be for tracking purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are so many smarter and easier ways. So I either embrace the tin foil hat, and say NSA, but then it apparently doesn’t happen on https, so that’s a bit weak. The only other angle I can think of is a desire to fulfil a legal requirement and prove what is accessed ala RIAA or some such.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PS. There is a chopper here now too!!! ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua D'Alton<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 25 June 2012 10:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net"<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Yes nothing like someone not being open and honest to spoil what would otherwise probably be a very benign and reasonable thing to do. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I can replicate it across APNs as well. Disappointing that they're not honest about what and why they're doing it. Transparency isn't just for HTTP proxying!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 25/06/2012, at 9:20 AM, Eric Pinkerton wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ausnoggers.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Whilst there is a lot of tin foil hattery and other spasticity on this WP Thread, <a href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1935438" target="_blank">http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1935438</a> - the questions it throws up have made me curious, esp given Telstra’s official response in the following article “<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/305928,telstra-says-its-not-spying-on-users.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/305928,telstra-says-its-not-spying-on-users.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“But in a short statement, Telstra’s senior media boss Craig Middleton said the company’s wireless network management assured that “there is nothing untoward in what the Whirlpool member has observed - <b>it is a normal network operation” </b>NOTHING TO SEE HEAR MOVE ALONG.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>In short, if you make a request to a web server on port 80 from a Telstra mobile, you’ll see a request immediately after your legit request from the Telstra gateway that originates from a US IP address hosted at Rackspace.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Legit request..</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>58.163.xxx.xxx - - [24/Jun/2012:23:12:09 +0000] "GET /test101 HTTP/1.1" 404 464 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9B206 Safari/7534.48.3"</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'> </span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Curious identical request follows…</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'>50.57.190.97 - - [24/Jun/2012:23:12:09 +0000] "GET /test101 HTTP/1.0" 404 526 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0"</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Whilst I accept this is probably benign, and can think of several reasons why the output of such a process might be of value to Telstra, I find myself less convinced than a certain senior media boss seems to be that this is “<i>a normal network operation”. </i>To me normal would be to say pull this info straight from the proxy server.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Also, just to be awkward, I am curious as to why a cloud provider, would be using what looks a lot like a cluster of VPS’s in someone else’s cloud based out of Texas ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Also why is there a black helicopter hovering above me?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>So many questions….<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Discuss!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering.<br><a href="http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg" target="_blank">http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>