<html><head><base href="x-msg://890/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Which APN is that using?<div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 25/06/2012, at 4:56 PM, Seamus Ryan wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Interesting, I saw the exact same results.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Just to throw a spanner in the works (if it’s not already), I only noticed the mentioned behaviour when using my personal Telstra mobile.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">My business/work supplied Telstra mobile was not followed up by a request from any additional IP’s<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Needs more foil….<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -18pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>-<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Seamus<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Joseph Goldman<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, 25 June 2012 4:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> Through a 40~ odd minute phone call, I was able to speak to a chap in `Level 2 Technical Support`, who has confirmed for me that it is a part of Telstra's core system, where they track the websites you have visited for bill reporting purposes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br> In other words, I confirmed with the chap (I have a reference for this call), that he could request billing to show a list of websites I have visited and how long I was on those websites.<br><br> He informed me that these services hitting the same website is tied in with that system.<br><br> It doesn't make sense why they would hit the site again as a GET, as they could pull this from a transparent proxy, and the purpose of scraping the website to gain extra insight about what i'm browsing, would suggest they would keep the path/query string instead of just hitting the root of the site, to actually see what content I am browsing.<br><br> I was also informed that I can not opt-out of this occurring, so I plan to contact ACCC or TIO in the morning to see what they can tell me about the practise (who would you think is better?).<br><br>Interesting indeed.<br><br>On 25/06/12 3:38 PM, James Nicol wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Eric, you should check this out.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-maps-coordinate-tracks-employees-339340095.htm" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-maps-coordinate-tracks-employees-339340095.htm</a><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">James</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Eric Pinkerton<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, 25 June 2012 3:30 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Matt Perkins;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Telstra's Texan Teaser - Tin Foil Stetsun anyone?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">></span>Could it be that telstra are passing your browsing history in real time to a marketing company who are then looking at the site to gather some sort of marking info on the site you were just looking at.<br>Would explain why they are not looking at there own cache.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Last night I had a dream. I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from my life. For each scene, I noticed three sets of footprints in the sand: one belonged to me, one to the Lord, and one to a marketing company in the US who was paying Telstra for my exact movements in real time.</span><o:p></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><span style="color: windowtext; "> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: windowtext; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; ">Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering.<br><a href="http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg</a><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="color: windowtext; "> <br> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; ">AusNOG mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: black; "><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: black; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>