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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="-1"><font face="Arial">Australian
ISPs (and I am assuming Telstra) have been handing over
browsing history to HitWise for decades now, so maybe this is
an extension of that?<br>
I considered it to be a huge privacy issue at the time (and
still do), but nobody seems to think that much of it which
really surprised me..<br>
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</font></font>On 25/06/2012 3:01 PM, Matt Perkins wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Could it be that telstra are passing
your browsing history in real time to a marketing company who
are then looking at the site to gather some sort of marking info
on the site you were just looking at.<br>
Would explain why they are not looking at there own cache. <br>
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On 25/06/12 2:40 PM, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:2BF54066-810C-4FCA-8DEE-3B84AF9838BA@mmc.com.au"
type="cite"><base href="x-msg://890/">FYI:
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<div>https as well - although it's just touching the root of the
website but then follows a redirect.</div>
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<div>MMC</div>
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<div>On 25/06/2012, at 9:20 AM, Eric Pinkerton wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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">Ausnoggers..<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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">Whilst there is a lot of tin foil hattery and
other spasticity on this WP Thread,<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1935438"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1935438</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>- the
questions it throws up have made me curious, esp
given Telstra’s official response in the following
article “<o:p></o:p></div>
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"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/305928,telstra-says-its-not-spying-on-users.aspx"
style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;
">http://www.scmagazine.com.au/News/305928,telstra-says-its-not-spying-on-users.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><i><o:p> </o:p></i></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><i>“<span style="color: black; background-image:
initial; background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; ">But in a
short statement, Telstra’s senior media boss
Craig Middleton said the company’s wireless
network management assured that “there is
nothing untoward in what the Whirlpool member
has observed -<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>it
is a normal network operation”<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>NOTHING
TO SEE HEAR MOVE ALONG.<o:p></o:p></span></i></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><i><span style="color: black; background-image:
initial; background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></i></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><span lang="EN-US">In short, if you make a
request to a web server on port 80 from a
Telstra mobile, you’ll see a request immediately
after your legit request from the Telstra
gateway that originates from a US IP address
hosted at Rackspace.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><b><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); "
lang="EN-US">Legit request..<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); "
lang="EN-US">58.163.xxx.xxx - -
[24/Jun/2012:23:12:09 +0000] "GET /test101
HTTP/1.1" 404 464 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone;
CPU iPhone OS 5_1_1 like Mac OS X)
AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko)
Version/5.1 Mobile/9B206 Safari/7534.48.3"<o:p></o:p></span></i></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><b><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96);
background-image: initial;
background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><b><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96);
background-image: initial;
background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; ">Curious
identical request follows…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 36pt; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><i><span style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96); "
lang="EN-US">50.57.190.97 - -
[24/Jun/2012:23:12:09 +0000] "GET /test101
HTTP/1.0" 404 526 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows;
U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9)
Gecko/2008052906 Firefox/3.0"</span></i><b><i><span
style="color: rgb(0, 32, 96);
background-image: initial;
background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><span style="color: black; background-image:
initial; background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><span style="color: black; background-image:
initial; background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; ">Whilst I
accept this is probably benign, and can think of
several reasons why the output of such a process
might be of value to Telstra, I find myself less
convinced than a certain senior media boss seems
to be that this is “<i>a normal network
operation”.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>To
me normal would be to say pull this info
straight from the proxy server.<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><span style="color: black; background-image:
initial; background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><span style="color: black; background-image:
initial; background-attachment: initial;
background-origin: initial; background-clip:
initial; background-color: white;
background-position: initial initial;
background-repeat: initial initial; ">Also, just
to be awkward, I am curious as to why a cloud
provider, would be using what looks a lot like a
cluster of VPS’s in someone else’s cloud based
out of Texas ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
">Also why is there a black helicopter hovering
above me?<o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt;
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
">So many questions….<o:p></o:p></div>
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"><o:p> </o:p></div>
<div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm;
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
">Discuss!<o:p></o:p></div>
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