<div class="gmail_quote"><br>What about protecting one customer from another?<div><br></div><div>Incredibly oblique example: If the guy next doors' bin was smelly and the council could spray some deodoriser stuff into it for negligible cost (which I've seen a few councils do) then I'd be happier than if they said "not my problem, they can stink out the street if they want!" :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Similarly, if the ISP is stopping infection vectors - since this is what we're talking about, not blocking inappropriate content based on government choice - I'd be OK with that as long as it was managed carefully. Obviously the "managed carefully" part is a problem, since I'm sure it'd be a gargantuan task to keep something like that accurate and not cause false positives.</div>
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</font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">James</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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From: <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Rod Veith<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra manipulating DNS to block botnets<br>
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I don't like the idea of protecting customers from themselves. We are not a nanny state and I don't want to live in one. People have to learn to take responsibility for their own actions. We are all supposed to be adults or adults supervising kids access. If people are too lazy to protect themselves that is their problem. Too many times I've heard courts be lenient because people say "I didn't know that could happen, I didn't understand what I was doing, I was too drunk/drugged when I hit him that hard, but I was only looking at my phone when I stepped in front of the car etc etc" and courts actually lend some weight to their excuses.<br>
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It seems that some in our industry want to extend the reasoning "people have to be protected from themselves" to the internet. I clearly and unequivocally reject this. If people expect they have rights, they need to also accept the responsibilities that come with the rights.<br>
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I believe we and the Government have a duty to inform people of the risks when connecting to the internet and how people can minimise risk, but not to control what they access or what they do or don't do to protect themselves.<br>
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I can understand network operators taking action to protect the integrity and uptime of their networks but that action must only be for that reason.<br>
It must not be to protect customers from the customers own actions/inactions.<br>
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My 4 cents.<br>
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Rod<br>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Brooks<br>
Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012 2:01 PM<br>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra manipulating DNS to block botnets<br>
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On 15/06/2012 12:56 PM, Martin - StudioCoast wrote:<br>
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> My view is there are numerous options available to an ISP to deal with<br>
> these sorts of issues without putting a sledgehammer to net neutrality.<br>
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> Contacting the customer for example....<br>
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Would be nice if contacting the customer was easy, but its not.<br>
Apparently only around 1 customer in 7 reads their ISP-provided email address, and most don't read a monthly invoice because of automatic direct debit.<br>
Plus we've taught them to ignore calls from call centres claiming 'Hi, I'm from (large<br>
ISP) and I'm here to help you, we've detected that your machine is infected with a virus, let me step you through the steps to clean it" while occasionally the call gets reported to the ACCC ScamWatch site.<br>
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Apart from sending a tech around to knock on the customer's door, contacting the customer isn't always easy or automatable.<br>
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P.<br>
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