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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>imo the reason why these movie/groups are eyeing out isp’s rather than users itself is because its would be much easier for them to create a law suit against and isp. And if they win more money for them<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>a user could easily defend them self and say no it wasn’t me someone broke into me wi-fi network and used my bandwidth. Unless their hard drives are searched, but then again the amount they get from an individual is nothing compared to a corporation. Its not possible to sue every single individual who downloads an illegal torrent, the movie company would just bankrupt themselves and their lawyers would be rich!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Ward (darrward)<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:32<br><b>To:</b> Paul Gear; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] UK ISP's told to block P2P<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That’s why I thought it was interesting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes it’s essentially just a website hosting a searchable directory cached from search results or public submissions but it highlights the extreme polarity that new media and consumption models are bringing to the industry.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>To call it illegal is a stretch because as Mark points out they don’t host the copyright material and as the iiNET case has shown at least here enablement and facilitation haven’t yet been successfully prosecuted and thereby made illegal by ruling<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In essence could such a site be considered different from Facebook or any User Forum where users post all kinds of information and imagery that in some jurisdictions are suspect?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Darren<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Gear<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] UK ISP's told to block P2P<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 02/05/12 11:59, Darren Ward (darrward) wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><div><p>Interesting to see how this plays out in the open/neutral debate: <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/isps-ordered-to-block-the-pirate-bay/story-e6frgakx-1226344311225">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/isps-ordered-to-block-the-pirate-bay/story-e6frgakx-1226344311225</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>"It's an illegal business model and we need to make sure we protect customers from illegal business models."<br><br>Do these people really buy their own rhetoric? Do they really expect the general public to believe that anyone is being protected here other than the big media companies and their pet politicians?<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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