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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Honestly, I would refer this to the TIO. Simply because you have spoken with Optus and are concerned with the accuracy and legitimacy of the details provided.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alternatively you could contact someone else at Optus and get a confirmation. Referring this conversation to Optus however might be counter-productive. I would probably word this in a query to another Optus operator as “I have been told that if my phone is connected to my home wifi, yet Internet services are enabled on the phone account, I will be charged by Optus for the data used even though it is not being provided over the 3G connection?”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Whilst it is likely Anil was mistaken in his interpretation, the official word from Optus is now that they were charging you for internet access over your own non Optus internet service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Logistics of this aside, that’s a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>hannah commodore<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 24 April 2012 4:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ausnog<br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Fwd: [luv-talk] Optus 3G charges while using wifi at home.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>This seems absolutely absurd if true. Anyone heard of something like this before? <o:p></o:p></p></div><p><span style='color:#A0A0A8'>Forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 8.0pt;margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Jason Lade <<a href="mailto:jason@docpc.com.au">jason@docpc.com.au</a>><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:luv-talk@luv.asn.au">luv-talk@luv.asn.au</a><br><b>Date:</b> Monday, 23 April 2012 22:46:33<br><b>Subject:</b> [luv-talk] Optus 3G charges while using wifi at home.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=message-body><div><p class=MsoNormal>I gave an old handset to my daughter to use for emergencies i.e. text or calls to my wife or I. It was using a pre-paid optus card that allows us to keep credit for up to like 6 or 12 months (I actually forget but quite a while) We recently recharged the thing, thinking that the last lot of credit went quite quick. But from the 10th to the 23rd of April she went through nearly $30 of credit over that period with a handful of text messages $0.29 each (not complaining about that) but most of the charges were short bursts of Internet access. Now admittedly she does use internet at home we have wifi and it connects to our wireless modem router.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But anyway she told me today the credit is nearly out, so we logged on to have a look and noticed she is getting Internetbrowsing and socialnwk charges of $1.32 a pop. Today alone she had 4 of them so I could be certain it was wifi.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Now what really blows me away is that I realised these charges today were happening while she was at home using wifi. So I spoke with an optus representative online via text, here is some of the text that I copied from the conversation, please note it isn't the full conversation as personal details were required.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I see there were a lot of Internet browsing done on the account.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>All charges are for the same amount $1.32 duration 00:00:00<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Yes that is $1.32 per 1MB of data used.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>But this is only done while at our home address, which when here it is connected to wifi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I am sorry to inform you the wifi is only used when you have the Internet turned off on the account.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Now I can turn the Internet on my system so she can only use wifi.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>But the phone is not showing up 3G, it is saying it is connected to wifi<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>She doesn't want to use internet through the optus network, just emergency calls and sms<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I am sorry as the Internet is active in our system even though she is using wifi she gets charged to optus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Do you want me to turn her Internet off through optus?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>Yes that would be good!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Just one moment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Thanks for waiting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>So you are saying that if the phone is connected to wifi, we are still getting charged on optus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I have turned your daughters Internet off on my system, so she wont get charged next time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>And the answer to your question is Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>if we browse the internet? But I can tell a big difference in speed if I turn off wifi and let my phone use 3G while at home.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I know but it is also charged on optus.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>But now you dont have to worry about that as I turned the Internet off.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>That just seems unbelievable to me. My account i wouldn't notice it as I have a capped account.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>O.k. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Have I covered everything for you today?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>You have but I just can't believe that if the phone is connected to wifi that optus charge for internet that is coming through a network other than optus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I know but that is why customers need to be aware of this.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I am sorry for you inconvenience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Is there anything else I can help you with today?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>I don't remember getting any information in regards to this when I joined up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>I need to further investigate this as I feel it isn't honest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>I agree, but cant do anything, I am sorry once again.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Do you assistance with anything else?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>you: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3B49BC'>No that is all. Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'> ^_^<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Your most welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>It was a pleasure chatting with you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Have a Good Evening.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:3.0pt;margin-left:0cm'><b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Anil: </span></b><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#3F3F3F'>Thanks for using Optus Live Chat. We value your feedback, so if you have a moment, please click the End Chat button at top right to answer a few questions about your experience with us today.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Now can you believe what she is saying, I can be using my home wifi and still accruing data charges from optus for data that they are not supplying. Is anyone able to give me any valid reasons for this. I know that if I'm using 3G at home it is quite slow. But when I connect to my wifi router I get much faster speeds so I just can't understand it. She stated that she feels it isn't right being charged for something that I'm not using. Has anyone seemed to have had this problem? I got her to turn off internet usage from the account. But it would be nice to be able to use the internet if needed when we are out.</span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>luv-talk mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:luv-talk@lists.luv.asn.au">luv-talk@lists.luv.asn.au</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk">http://lists.luv.asn.au/listinfo/luv-talk</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>