<html><head><base href="x-msg://462/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>HI Guys,</div>I'm not sure what you guys pay for transit, over east but certainly over here (Perth) having a gigabit connection to WAIX for the price we pay.. transit can't touch it. Given nearly all our eyeballs peer, it's only Optus/Telstra we need to buy transit for domestically. Seeing some of the pricing that PIPE charge however, it starts to become a very different ball game.<div><br></div><div>I get the impression PIPE don't care so much about their IX business as they used to (I keep seeing frequent issues on the list) and given who their parent company is-- makes me a little nervous. :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Shane<br><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div>On 28/03/2012, at 2:27 PM, Marcus Emanuel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">My 2c<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Not sure that PIPE IX cost indication is accurate for 2012 - they have taken current market transit pricing into account recently so its still a good value proposition, expecially considering the throughput seen from the large peering ISP member base.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Marcus<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 28 March 2012 1:37 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>David Hughes<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] Victorian Peering Point<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">I'm interested in what they have to offer.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">As you know we advise many ISPs on what to do, how they connect, who to peer with, where to buy, and it helps us give better advice if we know all the offerings that are available. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">The reason I also reply-all is that the information would also be useful to the overall community.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">I like that these guys are an alternate to the existing peering options such as Pipe (not Equinix as they aren't in Sydney yet).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">While Pipe is good, its value proposition is far less than it was several years ago when transit pricing was in the $200-$300+ range... with transit being able to be purchased for $30 or less in some cases, the $10/mb-100mb, or $3/mb-1G, while it isn't bad... it isn't as valuable as it once was.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">...Skeeve<br clear="all"><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Skeeve Stevens, CEO</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; 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margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 13:30, David Hughes <<a href="mailto:David@hughes.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">David@hughes.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><br><br>On 28/03/2012, at 11:52 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br><br>> Perhaps give us an overview of the network, any<br>> intercap connections and so on.<br><br>So are you looking for peering or transit / backhaul? Very different propositions and blurring the 2 can be disastrous (remember AusBONE anyone?).<br><br><br>David<br>...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div></body></html>