Hmmmm this is a complicated issue.<div><br></div><div>Joseph, I think you have a point, but maybe for a different reason.</div><div><br></div><div>An issue I've not seen commented on yet is 'machine trespass'. Many devices automatically connect to open access points and attempt to access the 'internet'. Smart Phones, Tablets, Laptops and so on are often set this way. It is useful in many places where open hotspots are common.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Most hotspots are open, where you automatically connect, get an ip address (using a resource already) then get redirected to a login or agreement page, at which point you can get online.</div><div><br>
</div><div>So if your devices are doing this and you wander near an unsecured AP, and it jumps online, picks up your email or does an update... are you responsible?</div><div><br></div><div>I went to a friends place a couple of years ago... he couldn't print to his wirelessly connected printer, but the internet worked fine. Turned out he'd been using a neighbours unsecured AP for months. Sometimes your machine just does things itself. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Yes, I do realise this is often a setting 'connect to open AP's', but it is a very innocent one.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><div style="font-size:14px">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 16:32, Joseph Saxton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Joe.Saxton@workforce.com.au">Joe.Saxton@workforce.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I don’t agree. If its an open network without any sort of authentication then you’re not breaking any rules. If you remember when telstra’s customer details was somehow available to the public internet due to poor security. There was no sort of login/authtication system that protects that information. Therefore the users who accessed that data shouldn’t be in trouble. Nothing is stopping them it’s just freely available on google. its telstra’s fault for not implementing correct security.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">So if a user access’s an open network that has no authentication or any sort of security then I don’t believe it is illegal. Its open, therefore people can access it. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jarrod Hassell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 23 March 2012 16:11<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p>If they actually connect to the AP without permission, could that be classed as QPS hacking?<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>Regardless of whether it's secure or not, unauthorised access to computer systems is illegal, yes?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>Regards,<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>Jarrod Hassell | Product Development Manager<u></u><u></u></p><p>PACNET<u></u><u></u></p><p>Tel: +61.3.9674.7506<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean K. Finn<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 23 March 2012 10:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> '<a href="mailto:Ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">Ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] OT: Police Wardriving. Where else but QLD!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-streets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html" target="_blank">http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-streets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">“The project was <a href="http://qpsmedia.govspace.gov.au/2012/03/22/war-driving-project-to-help-prevent-identity-theft/" target="_blank"><b>officially launched yesterday</b></a> to coincide with National Consumer Fraud Week.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Officers in the Hi Tech Crime Investigation Unit on wardriving missions will drive the streets of Brisbane with a laptop computer, looking for unsecured Wi-Fi networks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Residents and businesses owners in targeted areas will then be mailed information about how to effectively secure their connection.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Police will return to the area some time later to check whether residents have taken heed of the warning.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br><br>Read more: <a href="http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-streets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html#ixzz1ptOph04u" target="_blank">http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/technology/security/police-to-cruise-streets-for-unsecured-wifi-20120322-1vmof.html#ixzz1ptOph04u</a>”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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