Nathan,<div><br></div><div>You are absolutely correct.</div><div><br></div><div>On Friday the 3rd of February 2011 the last /8 (103/8) was allocated from IANA to APNIC.</div><div><br></div><div><div>On 15th of April, 2011 APNIC entered its /8, triggering the final /8 policy.</div>
<div><br></div><div>See the press release: <a href="http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2011/final-8">http://www.apnic.net/publications/news/2011/final-8</a><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>We are now in Stage 3 - <a href="http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/exhaustion-and-network-operators">http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/exhaustion-and-network-operators</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>If you want to read the FAQ about Stage 3, please see: <a href="http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/exhaustion-and-network-operators/ipv4-stage3-faq">http://www.apnic.net/community/ipv4-exhaustion/exhaustion-and-network-operators/ipv4-stage3-faq</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>See: <a href="http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy#9.10">http://www.apnic.net/policy/add-manage-policy#9.10</a></div><div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="background-color:rgb(236,244,249);color:rgb(81,81,81);font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px">As of Friday, 15 April 2011, each new or existing APNIC account holder is only eligible to request and receive delegations totalling a maximum /22 worth of address space from the APNIC IPv4 address pool.</span><span style="background-color:rgb(236,244,249);color:rgb(81,81,81);font-family:tahoma,verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:18px"> "</span></div>
<div><br></div></div><div>-<br></div><div><br></div><div>The final /8 basically says that all current APNIC members can receive UP TO a maximum of a /22.<br></div><div><br></div><div>NEW members may also receive (up to a) /22 of IPv4, but it is the first and last allocation they will receive.</div>
<div><br></div><div>There are thousands of /22's available for new members, so it will take a while for those to dry up - but it will run out at some point.</div><div><br></div><div>So, if you received an allocation from APNIC on or after the 15th of April 2011, then you are ineligible to receive any more IPv4 (unless you somehow got a /23 and want to get another /23).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Personally I am quite amused that the internet community doesn't realise what has happened - a year ago. This is why Ausnog now has threads with people looking to buy IPv4.</div><div><br></div><div>
One of the key issues is that people are extremely slow in migrating or planning to migrate their networks to IPv6. They biggest problem being that users don't know about it, and indeed should they even care?</div><div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 20:58, Nathan Brookfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nathan.brookfield@serversaustralia.com.au">nathan.brookfield@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Shaun;</div><div><br></div><div>I believe you are correct on some parts and not in others, If you would now like more after that final /22 allocation you will not receive another allocation from APNIC regardless of your requirements.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Sleeve or some else correct me if I am wrong here?<br><br>Kindest Regards,<div>Nathan Brookfield</div></div><div><br>On 13/03/2012, at 20:25, "Shaun McGuane" <<a href="mailto:shaun@rackcentral.com.au" target="_blank">shaun@rackcentral.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Nathan,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I disagree with you there.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you can justify it you can get it – We have at our SecurITon DC a /21 and recently a /22.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It was not hard but there was some justification necessary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathan Brookfield<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 March 2012 8:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:adamn@eyemedia.com.au" target="_blank">adamn@eyemedia.com.au</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Buying IPv4<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Quite the opposite, if you have already exhausted your /22 allocation from APNIC you're pretty much shit out of luck.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Kindest Regards,<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Nathan Brookfield<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<br>On 13/03/2012, at 19:51, <a href="mailto:adamn@eyemedia.com.au" target="_blank">adamn@eyemedia.com.au</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">It's not that hard....<br><br>We needed to become portable, as long as you can justify it (which we could with our hosting services) we obtained a /22 only 6 months ago. The paper work is the key and the APNIC people are great in helping work that through.</span> <br>
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