<html><head><base href="x-msg://109/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well said Sean.<div><br></div><div>If anyone thinks this is Dodo's fault, think again. Customers make configuration errors like this regularly. </div><div><br></div><div>I understand Telstra's position in some cases, to prefix filter us is something like 2500 entires with lots of updates, that can be hard to maintain, *at a prefix level*</div><div><br></div><div>Telstra not having a generic AS-PATH or even max-prefix put the fault entirely with Telstra. </div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 24/02/2012, at 11:29 AM, Sean K. Finn wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra should have had an Inbound route filter in any case.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(Both an AS Path filter, and a prefix-list filter).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The amount of people I’ve seen TRYING to advertise 0.0.0.0/0 over an IX, or even leaking private address space into carrier links, is common place. Thankfully most carriers don’t trust their clients advertisments by default.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">PIPE IX have a fairly complex (but not complicated) portal to use to ensure that your AS PATH LIST and PREFIX LISTS are added to their server manually before adding them to their route filters.Even better, every day there’s a mailout with the filters that you can put on your OWN routers to match their routers, just-in-case.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’ve seen some providers be extremely strict on even the manual ranges that get added to portals, checking each and every IP assignment to ensure that I’m allowed to advertise the ranges, and AS’s, in question. (And in some cases making me jump through silly hurdles to PROVE it).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The very definition of UPSTREAM means it’s their responsibility to not trust the DOWNSTREAM.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Fair enough, Dodo had to leak the routes, and Telstra had to accept them, there was a mutual mis-configuration, that part is self evident.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It’s easy enough to make the mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">S<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Aaron Swayn<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, February 24, 2012 10:20 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I think the spin was from Dodo to blame the vendor, but me thinks the fault went down something like this…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>-<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dodo engineer troubleshooting BGP advertisement issue<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>-<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Can’t figure it out (can’t see why, these things do work properly and you can debug them easily enough without having to take risks)<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-indent: -0.25in; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span>-<span style="font: normal normal normal 7pt/normal 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Removed outbound route filter from BGP session to Telstra to see if that fixes the problem<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">And we know the rest…<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Evan Weston<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 24 February 2012 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Nice spin from Telstra. Blame the hardware vendor, blame the customer but never admit that it was actually *<b>our fault</b>* for not filtering properly.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Will Tardy<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 24 February 2012 10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU">Telstra claims they had an international link down:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU"><a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; "><span lang="EN-AU">If that happened at the same time as DODO incorrectly sending Telstra the full BGP table, could that explain why Telstra black-holed all-routes plus pumped all of it's own traffic via dodo?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU">On 24 February 2012 10:02, Wade Millican <<a href="mailto:Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">What I'm yet to understand about this outage is why DODO's AS_PATH was seen as shorter than anything Telstra already had.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">An earlier posted look at routes(below), thanks Gavin, shows all routes from Telstra taking hops to DODO, then Optus or PIPE before moving to the destination. Surely Telstra would have had better routes than pushing all traffic 2 hops out of it's way.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">AS_PATH does not explain how Telstra accepted these as the active routes. Even if all routes were accepted, Telstra still has better routes.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Can anyone explain what BGP Metric was modified/used that pushed traffic over longer AS_PATHs? <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><pre style="margin-top: 0in; 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margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-AU">..<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span lang="EN-AU">* <a href="http://14.201.64.0/24" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">14.201.64.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 18398 7545 7545 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Wade<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">-- <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(149, 149, 149); ">Wade Millican <br>Technical Consultant Team Lead<br></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(152, 152, 152); ">Hemisphere Infrastructure Support<br></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(149, 149, 149); ">Information Technology<br><b>Echo Entertainment Group Limited</b> <br><br>2 Edward St<br>Pyrmont NSW 2009 <br><br>T:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B61%202%209657%207460" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+61 2 9657 7460</a><br>M:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29%20400%20192%20485" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+61 (0) 400 192 485</a><br></span><u><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue; "><a href="mailto:wade.millican@echoent.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wade.millican@echoent.com.au</a><br></span></u><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(149, 149, 149); "><a href="http://www.echoentertainment.com.au" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.echoentertainment.com.au</a><br></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Narrow', sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><span><image001.png></span></span><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">"Ramsay, Paul" <<a href="mailto:pramsay@uecomm.com.au" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pramsay@uecomm.com.au</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:20:41 -0800<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Yes, this reinforces the Rule of Trust. Don’t trust your BGP peers and ensure your filters are in place, configured correctly and working, you can’t transfer blame.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It can cost you big $$ and pain if you inadvertently turn yourself into a transit peer because your upstreams may prefer to send traffic where they can make $$ from.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sean K. Finn<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:09 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:'ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">'ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It’s easy to describe for all the media types watching..</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(And I’m not sure why its not being put out there in Laymans terms).</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">From the routes seen at various points, and reported on the WAIX mailing list earlier..</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dodo told Telstra that Dodo was the rest of the Internet.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra Believed Dodo.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra entire system tried to use DODO as their ISP instead of everyone else Telstra is connected to.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Needless to say this didn’t work, the pipes got Jammed.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra should have filtered the announcement from Dodo, butdidn’t.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Filtering is in place as a form of control (which is used instead of trust).</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Filtering obviously wasn’t in place, or didn’t work, so anything that Dodo told Telstra about where to find the Internet, Telstra believed.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This happens quite often, I’ve heard of this happening on peering exchanges within Australia, too. Just never at an organizational level as big as Telstra.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Over and Out.</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 1pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; "> </span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. 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