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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Telstra should have had an Inbound route filter in any case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Both an AS Path filter, and a prefix-list filter).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The amount of people I’ve seen TRYING to advertise 0.0.0.0/0 over an IX, or even leaking private address space into carrier links, is common place. Thankfully most carriers don’t trust their clients advertisments by default.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PIPE IX have a fairly complex (but not complicated) portal to use to ensure that your AS PATH LIST and PREFIX LISTS are added to their server manually before adding them to their route filters.Even better, every day there’s a mailout with the filters that you can put on your OWN routers to match their routers, just-in-case.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’ve seen some providers be extremely strict on even the manual ranges that get added to portals, checking each and every IP assignment to ensure that I’m allowed to advertise the ranges, and AS’s, in question. (And in some cases making me jump through silly hurdles to PROVE it).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The very definition of UPSTREAM means it’s their responsibility to not trust the DOWNSTREAM.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fair enough, Dodo had to leak the routes, and Telstra had to accept them, there was a mutual mis-configuration, that part is self evident.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s easy enough to make the mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>S<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Swayn<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 24, 2012 10:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think the spin was from Dodo to blame the vendor, but me thinks the fault went down something like this…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dodo engineer troubleshooting BGP advertisement issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Can’t figure it out (can’t see why, these things do work properly and you can debug them easily enough without having to take risks)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Removed outbound route filter from BGP session to Telstra to see if that fixes the problem<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And we know the rest…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Evan Weston<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 February 2012 10:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nice spin from Telstra. Blame the hardware vendor, blame the customer but never admit that it was actually *<b>our fault</b>* for not filtering properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]">[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Tardy<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 February 2012 10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>Telstra claims they had an international link down:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm">http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-AU>If that happened at the same time as DODO incorrectly sending Telstra the full BGP table, could that explain why Telstra black-holed all-routes plus pumped all of it's own traffic via dodo?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU>On 24 February 2012 10:02, Wade Millican <<a href="mailto:Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au">Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>What I'm yet to understand about this outage is why DODO's AS_PATH was seen as shorter than anything Telstra already had.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>An earlier posted look at routes(below), thanks Gavin, shows all routes from Telstra taking hops to DODO, then Optus or PIPE before moving to the destination. Surely Telstra would have had better routes than pushing all traffic 2 hops out of it's way.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>AS_PATH does not explain how Telstra accepted these as the active routes. Even if all routes were accepted, Telstra still has better routes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Can anyone explain what BGP Metric was modified/used that pushed traffic over longer AS_PATHs? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><pre style='text-align:-webkit-auto;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px'><span lang=EN-AU><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>*> <a href="http://1.22.161.0/24" target="_blank">1.22.161.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 55410 45528 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>*> <a href="http://1.22.162.0/24" target="_blank">1.22.162.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 55410 45528 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>*> <a href="http://1.22.163.0/24" target="_blank">1.22.163.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 55410 45528 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>*> <a href="http://1.22.167.0/24" target="_blank">1.22.167.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 6453 4755 45528 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>*> <a href="http://1.22.168.0/24" target="_blank">1.22.168.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 6453 4755 45528 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>..<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-AU>* <a href="http://14.201.64.0/24" target="_blank">14.201.64.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 18398 7545 7545 i<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wade<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#959595'>Wade Millican <br>Technical Consultant Team Lead<br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#989898'>Hemisphere Infrastructure Support<br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#959595'>Information Technology<br><b>Echo Entertainment Group Limited</b> <br><br>2 Edward St<br>Pyrmont NSW 2009 <br><br>T: <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209657%207460" target="_blank">+61 2 9657 7460</a><br>M: <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29%20400%20192%20485" target="_blank">+61 (0) 400 192 485</a><br></span><u><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:9.0pt;color:blue'><a href="mailto:wade.millican@echoent.com.au">wade.millican@echoent.com.au</a><br></span></u><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#959595'><a href="http://www.echoentertainment.com.au" target="_blank">www.echoentertainment.com.au</a><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Narrow","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'><img border=0 width=309 height=89 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01CCF2DF.74951D60"></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"Ramsay, Paul" <<a href="mailto:pramsay@uecomm.com.au" target="_blank">pramsay@uecomm.com.au</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:20:41 -0800<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, this reinforces the Rule of Trust. Don’t trust your BGP peers and ensure your filters are in place, configured correctly and working, you can’t transfer blame.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It can cost you big $$ and pain if you inadvertently turn yourself into a transit peer because your upstreams may prefer to send traffic where they can make $$ from.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean K. Finn<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:'ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">'ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-AU> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s easy to describe for all the media types watching..</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(And I’m not sure why its not being put out there in Laymans terms).</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From the routes seen at various points, and reported on the WAIX mailing list earlier..</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dodo told Telstra that Dodo was the rest of the Internet.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Telstra Believed Dodo.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Telstra entire system tried to use DODO as their ISP instead of everyone else Telstra is connected to.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Needless to say this didn’t work, the pipes got Jammed.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Telstra should have filtered the announcement from Dodo, butdidn’t.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Filtering is in place as a form of control (which is used instead of trust).</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Filtering obviously wasn’t in place, or didn’t work, so anything that Dodo told Telstra about where to find the Internet, Telstra believed.</span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-AU><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This happens quite often, I’ve heard of this happening on peering exchanges within Australia, too. 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