<html><head><base href="x-msg://832/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi,<div>Reach is not a global Tier1. They very clearly have Savvis (3561) and Sprint (1239) transit. </div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 24/02/2012, at 10:28 AM, Aaron Swayn wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> But as Dodo is not a Teir 1 carrier, I don’t think they should be that relaxed in the peering configuration IMHO. Only 3 carriers are Tier 1 in Australia and only they should be that relaxed to allow all prefixes. It seems Reach however doesn’t trust Telstra though).<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Reach did the right thing, as they are one of the few true global Tier 1 peering provider. Hence, Reach never expects to see the internet come from Telstra, only domestic routes which Telstra peers with.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I’m sure the Instructor lead training courses for CCNP and BGP will talk about this incident for the next 20 years on what not to do. I seem to recall one comment “You<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><u>don’t</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>want to become famous, so always check what you’re doing before you interface with the internet”.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Will Tardy<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 24 February 2012 10:30 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Telstra claims they had an international link down:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><a href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm</a><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">If that happened at the same time as DODO incorrectly sending Telstra the full BGP table, could that explain why Telstra black-holed all-routes plus pumped all of it's own traffic via dodo?<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On 24 February 2012 10:02, Wade Millican <<a href="mailto:Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">What I'm yet to understand about this outage is why DODO's AS_PATH was seen as shorter than anything Telstra already had.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">An earlier posted look at routes(below), thanks Gavin, shows all routes from Telstra taking hops to DODO, then Optus or PIPE before moving to the destination. Surely Telstra would have had better routes than pushing all traffic 2 hops out of it's way.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">AS_PATH does not explain how Telstra accepted these as the active routes. Even if all routes were accepted, Telstra still has better routes.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Can anyone explain what BGP Metric was modified/used that pushed traffic over longer AS_PATHs? <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; 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text-decoration: underline; ">1.22.163.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 55410 45528 i<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">*> <a href="http://1.22.167.0/24" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">1.22.167.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 6453 4755 45528 i<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">*> <a href="http://1.22.168.0/24" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">1.22.168.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 7474 7473 6453 4755 45528 i<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">..<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; ">* <a href="http://14.201.64.0/24" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">14.201.64.0/24</a> 165.228.157.73 100 80 0 1221 38285 18398 7545 7545 i<o:p></o:p></pre></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Wade<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">-- <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(149, 149, 149); ">Wade Millican <br>Technical Consultant Team Lead<br></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(152, 152, 152); ">Hemisphere Infrastructure Support<br></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Georgia, serif; color: rgb(149, 149, 149); ">Information Technology<br><b>Echo Entertainment Group Limited</b> <br><br>2 Edward St<br>Pyrmont NSW 2009 <br><br>T:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B61%202%209657%207460" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+61 2 9657 7460</a><br>M:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29%20400%20192%20485" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">+61 (0) 400 192 485</a><br></span><u><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: blue; "><a href="mailto:wade.millican@echoent.com.au" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">wade.millican@echoent.com.au</a><br></span></u><span style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(149, 149, 149); "><a href="http://www.echoentertainment.com.au" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.echoentertainment.com.au</a><br></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Arial Narrow', sans-serif; color: rgb(127, 127, 127); "><span><image001.png></span></span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">"Ramsay, Paul" <<a href="mailto:pramsay@uecomm.com.au" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">pramsay@uecomm.com.au</a>><br><b>Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:20:41 -0800<br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Yes, this reinforces the Rule of Trust. Don’t trust your BGP peers and ensure your filters are in place, configured correctly and working, you can’t transfer blame.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It can cost you big $$ and pain if you inadvertently turn yourself into a transit peer because your upstreams may prefer to send traffic where they can make $$ from.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sean K. Finn<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:09 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:'ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">'ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] International link issue</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It’s easy to describe for all the media types watching..</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(And I’m not sure why its not being put out there in Laymans terms).</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">From the routes seen at various points, and reported on the WAIX mailing list earlier..</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dodo told Telstra that Dodo was the rest of the Internet.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra Believed Dodo.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra entire system tried to use DODO as their ISP instead of everyone else Telstra is connected to.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Needless to say this didn’t work, the pipes got Jammed.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Telstra should have filtered the announcement from Dodo, butdidn’t.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Filtering is in place as a form of control (which is used instead of trust).</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Filtering obviously wasn’t in place, or didn’t work, so anything that Dodo told Telstra about where to find the Internet, Telstra believed.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; 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Just never at an organizational level as big as Telstra.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Over and Out.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: windowtext; border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 1pt; padding-right: 0cm; padding-bottom: 0cm; padding-left: 0cm; "><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 9pt; "> </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">This message and its attachments may contain legally privileged or confidential information. 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