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    You haven't lived until you break the internet... :)<br>
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    On 24/02/2012 11:22 AM, Burt Mascareigne wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Can
            you imagine that engineers face, when it all blew up. Oh.. I
            wish I was there to see it
          </span><span
            style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">L</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Aaron Swayn<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 February 2012 11:20 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            think the spin was from Dodo to blame the vendor, but me
            thinks the fault went down something like this…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
                "Times New Roman"">         
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dodo
            engineer troubleshooting BGP advertisement issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Can’t
            figure it out (can’t see why, these things do work properly
            and you can debug them easily enough without having to take
            risks)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
              style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Removed
            outbound route filter from BGP session to Telstra to see if
            that fixes the problem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And
            we know the rest…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Evan Weston<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 February 2012 10:55 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nice
            spin from Telstra. Blame the hardware vendor, blame the
            customer but never admit that it was actually *<b>our fault</b>*
            for not filtering properly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
            lang="EN-US">
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]">[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]</a>
            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Will Tardy<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 February 2012 10:30 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International link issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Telstra claims they had an international
            link down:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm">http://www.zdnet.com.au/telstra-hit-by-nationwide-data-outage-339332310.htm</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">If that
            happened at the same time as DODO incorrectly sending
            Telstra the full BGP table, could that explain why Telstra
            black-holed all-routes plus pumped all of it's own traffic
            via dodo?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 24 February 2012 10:02, Wade
              Millican <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au">Wade.Millican@echoent.com.au</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi
                    All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What
                    I'm yet to understand about this outage is why
                    DODO's AS_PATH was seen as shorter than anything
                    Telstra already had.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">An
                    earlier posted look at routes(below), thanks Gavin,
                    shows all routes from Telstra taking hops to DODO,
                    then Optus or PIPE before moving to the destination.
                    Surely Telstra would have had better routes than
                    pushing all traffic 2 hops out of it's way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">AS_PATH
                    does not explain how Telstra accepted these as the
                    active routes. Even if all routes were accepted,
                    Telstra still has better routes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Can
                    anyone explain what BGP Metric was modified/used
                    that pushed traffic over longer AS_PATHs? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <pre>*  <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://14.201.64.0/24" target="_blank">14.201.64.0/24</a>   165.228.157.73         100     80      0 1221 38285 18398 7545 7545 i<o:p></o:p></pre>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Wade<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#959595">Wade
                          Millican <br>
                          Technical Consultant Team Lead<br>
                        </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#989898">Hemisphere
                          Infrastructure Support<br>
                        </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#959595">Information
                          Technology<br>
                          <b>Echo Entertainment Group Limited</b> <br>
                          <br>
                          2 Edward St<br>
                          Pyrmont NSW 2009 <br>
                          <br>
                          T: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:%2B61%202%209657%207460"
                            target="_blank">+61 2 9657 7460</a><br>
                          M: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29%20400%20192%20485"
                            target="_blank">+61 (0) 400 192 485</a><br>
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                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:wade.millican@echoent.com.au">wade.millican@echoent.com.au</a><br>
                          </span></u><span
                          style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#959595"><a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.echoentertainment.com.au"
                            target="_blank">www.echoentertainment.com.au</a><br>
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Narrow","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F"><img
                            id="_x0000_i1025"
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
                    </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"Ramsay,
                    Paul" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:pramsay@uecomm.com.au"
                      target="_blank">pramsay@uecomm.com.au</a>><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:20:41 -0800<br>
                    <b>To: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>"
                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] International link
                    issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes,
                        this reinforces the Rule of Trust. Don’t trust
                        your BGP peers and ensure your filters are in
                        place, configured correctly and working, you
                        can’t transfer blame.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
                        can cost you big $$ and pain if you
                        inadvertently turn yourself into a transit peer
                        because your upstreams may prefer to send
                        traffic where they can make $$ from.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
                            lang="EN-US">
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                              target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>
                            [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
                              target="_blank">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
                            <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean K. Finn<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 23 February 2012 5:09
                            PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:%27ausnog@ausnog.net"
                              target="_blank">'ausnog@ausnog.net</a>'<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] International
                            link issue</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">It’s easy to describe for all the
                        media types watching..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">(And I’m not sure why its not being
                        put out there in Laymans terms).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">From the routes seen at various
                        points, and reported on the WAIX mailing list
                        earlier..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Dodo told Telstra that Dodo was the
                        rest of the Internet.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Telstra Believed Dodo.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Telstra entire system tried to use
                        DODO as their ISP instead of everyone else
                        Telstra is connected to.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Needless to say this didn’t work,
                        the pipes got Jammed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Telstra should have filtered the
                        announcement from Dodo, butdidn’t.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Filtering is in place as a form of
                        control (which is used instead of trust).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Filtering obviously wasn’t in
                        place, or didn’t work, so anything that Dodo
                        told Telstra about where to find the Internet,
                        Telstra believed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">This happens quite often, I’ve
                        heard of this happening on peering exchanges
                        within Australia, too. Just never at an
                        organizational level as big as Telstra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US">Over and Out.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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