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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'>Howdy noggers,<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thought I’d do a summary for you, I got a lot of emails and it was an awesome response. Thanks to all who took the time to email me, hope I didn’t miss any of you out in this email..<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'>When we were looking at what to use first up we wanted Redmine, pretty much did what we wanted but installing it proved quite hard getting the ruby environment working right was quite time consuming, and I’m no ruby expert it also had a bunch of gems to install.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#1F497D'>But luckily some people out there have realised there’s a lot of good open source software out there and if you’re like me not dealt with ruby much, projects such as these can really help cut time on deployment, everyone’s requirements is different but this really helped me:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://bitnami.org/stack/redmine">http://bitnami.org/stack/redmine</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allows for easy admin and use, can create tasks and subtasks, multi user, Also support attached document’s and printing to PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Clearly designed for Bug tracking and software development but it’s quite easy to bend to basic use of projects and sub tasks with in project.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With bitnami makes for a very easy quick install a breeze to work with<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the above being said if you’re a ruby buff you won’t have a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/?gclid=CMSCldSe7KoCFQdKpgodQllAPQ">http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/?gclid=CMSCldSe7KoCFQdKpgodQllAPQ</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This got a bunch of recommendations from a lot of noggers, looks really great, but for our needs it’s over and above.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>After a quick look at it I didn’t take it any further<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>30 day free trial, cheap if you host your own server, they offer a hosted option which as some pointed out could be cheaper depending on the size of your team/company<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.producteev.com/">http://www.producteev.com/</a> I found this myself but a few people also said it was good<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Good for single or multi users<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Easy to deploy fill out a form, and your ready to go.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Iphone app im sure is very attractive to some users. Also supported sync with outlook via a plugin and I think had gmail syncing?<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Free 2 week trial / Free for up to 2 users But the max you will pay is $30.00 a month<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Someone said that it was quite pricey I guess it depends on what you recon its worth<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:18.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> I think over all producteev is a cheap product for what it is a simple to use task management software, wish a very nice gui…<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Daniel Thoroughgood put me onto an awesome little windows based program called Todolist (AbstractSpoon Software)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.abstractspoon.com/">http://www.abstractspoon.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Easy deployment download zip, decompress run .exe setup wizard asks you half a dozen questions and you’re ready to role<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>File based db, awesome for small company’s or one users, does support multi user but I don’t know how well that would scale.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Basic task management with sub tasks, and user assignment, it’s really a shame this one doesn’t have a web version<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I didn’t look any further but here are some other recommendations that were put to me, I’ll add them in here so anyone’s looking at this thread at a later date…<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nishal Goburdhan :<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText>e-groupware (<a href="http://www.egroupware.org/">http://www.egroupware.org/</a>) - a lot more fully featured, with a separate project management, and task management utility. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>ugly as sin, but if you consider that it comes fully integrated, and if you use it for mail/wiki/calendaring/etc... it's quite powerful. but still ugly :-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>a friend at an ISP uses hitask: <a href="http://hitask.com/">http://hitask.com/</a>. for sharing project, he loves it. it's cloud-based. i am less enthused by that.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>this looks nice to: <a href="http://www.producteev.com/">http://www.producteev.com/</a> - but expensive<o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul Brooks :<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText>Perhaps try OpenProj - <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/openproj/">http://sourceforge.net/projects/openproj/</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>"OpenProj is an open-source desktop project management application similar to Microsoft Project. OpenProj has a familiar user interface and even opens existing MS Project files. OpenProj is interoperable with Project, Gantt Charts and PERT charts."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Its java-based, and relatively cross-platform, with binaries for windows, OS-X and several linux variants<o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText>Rhys McMurdo :<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://web2project.net/">http://web2project.net/</a> - Project management software with a lot of features which you may/may not need (Such as Gantt charts & time reporting), however it's relatively easy to setup and start using.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://collabtive.o-dyn.de/index.php">http://collabtive.o-dyn.de/index.php</a> - If you are after simple task management (which it sounds like you are) then this is less complicated than web2project and is dead easy to setup and use.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Both software packages have online demos so you can evaluate them for yourself.<o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText>Alastair Waddell :<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Hi Bruce, have a look at Fogbugz (hosted or on-premise).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>I was after something hosted (one less thing to maintain) and Jira<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>(Studio) didn't meet my requirements.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Fogbugz (Hosted) did and it's free for small teams which means you can take your time settling into it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>From Joel Spolsky who also does stackexchange.com etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Less cruft, more focussed imo.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>At this stage, I'm only just past the reviewing and not yet a big user.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Another thing that swung me was DVCS (mercurial) over SVN.<o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'></snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoPlainText>Christopher Pollock :<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>For something simply that, I find that Acunote has been quite good.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.acunote.com">http://www.acunote.com</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>It has a number of layers of nesting, individual burndowns, priority levels, commenting, attachments, etc etc. I find it's been quite useful in figuring out whether my expectations of how much the team can get done are reasonable or not.<o:p></o:p></p><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><snip><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>