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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Put an SSD in an old laptop (buying new machines no matter how efficient they are is still less green than recycling old ones)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>e<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Damien Morris [mailto:damien@yahoo-inc.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 May 2011 3:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Eric Pinkerton; ausnog@ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Enterprise Protection for the Consumer<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Trying to:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Be Green.. Old machines draw more power and real estate than they deserve and have spinning disks..<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Focus on efficiency, and come up with solutions that could be shared/benefit others<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>See how far you can push some of these consumer devices that have all the hardware in the box just waiting to be exploited..<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe have some fun along the way :)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Damien.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On 19/05/11 3:46 PM, "Eric Pinkerton" <<a href="mailto:Eric.Pinkerton@stratsec.net">Eric.Pinkerton@stratsec.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0cm' id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why not just put Vyatta on an old machine with multiple nic’s, and use it to segregate your AP’s from said crown jewels?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Damien Morris<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 19 May 2011 1:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Enterprise Protection for the Consumer</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hey NOGers,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Maybe a bit OT - but what devices have people heard of or had experience with that give the enterprise-grade feature experience with consumer-grade gear?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Note I said 'experience' and not 'quality' - so you wouldn't run your business on it but you could set up your home DMZ, walled garden, VPN concentrator, RADIUS, 802.1x, etc.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The thought occurred as I was experimenting running multiple APs off a single LAN segment at home to test the performance of each and realised I was creating a large attack surface area with no protection beyond WPA2. Break through an AP and you get the crown jewels.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>The most obvious example I can think of is the Asus N-16 which seems ridiculously overpowered compared to its contemporaries, and can run the seminal DD-WRT for some enterprise features (and a more-or-less full featured linux distribution with iptables and at least three discrete interfaces, albeit one of them wireless. You can add a USB drive to it too if you need more). For the record, I'm not a fan of Linux but I can't see IOS or a BSD-able device coming cheap.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Soekris, Mikrotik, Guruplug et al all seem a little too cost-heavy after you add the necessary extras to get them going, and the fact you'd need more than one device to realistically built enterprise-class network topology.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Love to hear anyone's feedback. E.g. has anyone ever hacked Vyatta onto a $50 consumer grade box and powered it with a PoE injector..? :)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;min-height: 14.0px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Thanks,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Damien.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering.<br><a href="http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg">http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><br><a href="https://login.mailguard.com.au/report/1CkO94rp0N/3SMAfR37nQheKo3nhixPfq/0.004">Report this message as spam</a> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='color:black'>Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering.<br><a href="http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg">http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></body></html><br><p>Message protected by MailGuard: e-mail anti-virus, anti-spam and content filtering.<br /><a href="http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg">http://www.mailguard.com.au/mg</a></p>
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