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<div>On 31/01/2011, at 11:21 AM, Don Gould wrote:</div>
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<div>On 31/01/2011 1:35 p.m., Damien Morris wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">The amount of arguments still taking place on nanog about v6 is making<br>
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<div>They're mostly from people who don't appear to have done it.</div>
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<div>We've got IPv6 dual stack for customers. We sell ADSL CPE which supports IPv6 (and more of our current ones will in the next months).</div>
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<div>The customers change their ADSL login from <a href="mailto:username@internode.on.net">
username@internode.on.net</a> to <a href="mailto:username@ipv6.internode.on.net">
username@ipv6.internode.on.net</a> on capable CPE and it just works. I'm tempted to get my 88 year old grandfather (who bought himself a Win7 laptop recently) a dual stack CPE just so I can say that it's that easy.</div>
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<div>Most people have dual stack OSes these days so don't even have to do anything. </div>
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<blockquote type="cite">e.g: /48s vs /56s vs /64s for consumers, /64s vs /126s for PtP, SLAAC vs<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">DHCPv6, ND vs DoS attacks, DNS64/NAT64 vs "it'll never work"..<br>
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<div>DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation is important. The subnet size is, well, not very relevant, /64 is too small, but anything more is fine for almost anyone. </div>
<div>DHCPv6 hopefully will be supported by more OSes and that'll make life pretty easy.</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">Perhaps when it comes to IP it's possible to have too much of a good<br>
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<div>Too much noise, not enough doing as usual on NANOG. </div>
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Can't speak for everyone else, but the bitching is one of the main <br>
reasons I've been ignoring the space and will continue until I see a <br>
more clear path.<br>
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It's a bit like an OS upgrade. You may consider that short sighted, <br>
but it costs time/money to be first in and then have to rework <br>
everything because of poor assumptions.<br>
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Personally I'm still looking for a clear path just for a simple SOHO set <br>
up what will be robust. However every time I toe in the water I get <br>
drowned.<br>
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