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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hey Nick – thanks for that... useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The AFP have talked to Curtis Raams from AINS and he is claiming
he has a contractual right to poison a customer’s routes in the global
table if they haven’t paid their bills. *<b>blink</b>* That is an
interesting perspective. Commercial issues aside, no one should announce
resources against the owners wishes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>My opinion is that this is criminal activity and clearly falls
under Denial of Service definition and since they’ve even admitted to the
AFP that they are doing this on purpose, there is malice involved – they’ve
put themselves in a big hole here. Pacnet by not doing anything, even after
they have been informed, are also putting themselves at risk for essentially
supporting their customers action by their lack of action.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I definitely think that I need to come up with a policy
submission at the next APNIC meeting in February which makes this matter
extremely clear – that no one can announce resources in a malicious
manner to deny the owner of those resources access to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I wonder from an APNIC perspective that if a member acts like
this, that there are some repercussions or something – like suspended
membership, and so on available to APNIC as options. There has to be
something that APNIC can do for this sort of situation, or this sort of
thing will happen again and again and hostile entities will start crippling
networks, and use providers like Pacnet to abuse the worlds routing tables.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks again goes out to the AFP for working hard on this... and
APNIC for doing the right thing and getting involved. No thanks for
Pacnet, who I once respected – for their lack of ability to realise what
they were allowing their customer was doing was wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ok... from a ‘legalistic’ perspective – given we’re
under APNIC which looks after many countries – where would what AINS are
doing, be detailed in some way as ‘against the rules’ ? I
assume it will be written somewhere under APNIC resources rules? Or somewhere
else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It would help the AFP in this country to know what the position
is, and also law enforcement organisations in other countries.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In fact, perhaps it might be right to request APNIC to write up
some sort of Law Enforcement Agency (LEA) guide when they have local
disputes. I am just glad Pacnet have local representation, because what
if this was an ISP in some other country – maybe not even English
speaking, who was refusing? The AFP would have no power at that point I
assume... so I guess APNIC has to step in somehow?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Just some thoughts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>- Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade - Arista - Allied
Telesis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nick @ Deltaband
[mailto:nick@deltaband.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 11 December 2010 11:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Urgent - Pacnet NOC contact (with BGP clue)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Skeeve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From memory pacnet are big fans of the info in <a
href="http://radb.net">radb.net</a> for filtering purposes... i was going to
suggest updating your objects to reflect that pacnet's customer is no longer an
upstream... but then i checked it:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>[root@vhost1 ~]# whois <a
href="mailto:180.189.136.0@whois.radb.net">180.189.136.0@whois.radb.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>[Querying <a href="http://whois.radb.net">whois.radb.net</a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>[<a href="http://whois.radb.net">whois.radb.net</a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>route: <a href="http://180.189.136.0/22">180.189.136.0/22</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>descr: PACNET (proxy-registered route
object)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>origin: AS45914<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>remarks: This route object is for a PACNET
customer route which is<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
being exported under this origin AS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
+<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
This route object was created because no existing route<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
object with the same origin was found, and since some<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
ANC peers filter based on these objects this route<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
may be rejected if this object is not created.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
+<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
Please contact <a href="mailto:abuse@pacnet.net">abuse@pacnet.net</a>
if you have any<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal> Concerns
regarding Spam/Abuses related to this object<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
+<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
Please contact <a href="mailto:ip-noc@pacnet.net">ip-noc@pacnet.net</a>
if you have any other<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>
Questions regarding this object.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>notify: <a href="mailto:ip-noc@pacnet.net">ip-noc@pacnet.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>mnt-by: MAINT-AS10026<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>changed: <a href="mailto:ip-noc@pacnet.net">ip-noc@pacnet.net</a>
20100204<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>source: RADB<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>[root@vhost1 ~]# whois AS45914<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>[Querying <a href="http://whois.radb.net">whois.radb.net</a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>[<a href="http://whois.radb.net">whois.radb.net</a>]<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>aut-num: AS45914<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>as-name: ALUMINA-NETWORKS-AS-AP<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>descr: Alumina Networks Pty Ltd<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>descr: Suite 1230, 1 Queens Road,
Melbourne 3004<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>country: AU<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>admin-c: ANPL1-AP<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>tech-c: ANPL1-AP<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>mnt-routes: MAINT-ALUMINA-NETWORKS-AU<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>mnt-by: MAINT-ALUMINA-NETWORKS-AU<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>changed: <a
href="mailto:hm-changed@apnic.net">hm-changed@apnic.net</a> 20090921<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal>source: APNIC<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>Seems you might have to ask pacnet to update it as they
created the objects on behalf of your client's old upstream.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal>If the AFP don't give any joy perhaps an e-mail from
Alumina, stating that as the origin AS for the above netblock (as per pacnet's
own proxy registered object) you request they stop accepting the following
route from their customer as they are falsely advertising the route
with the origin as themselves (AS23871):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div><pre>BGP routing table entry for <a href="http://180.189.136.0/24">180.189.136.0/24</a>, version 112823<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Paths: (2 available, best #1, table default)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Not advertised to any peer<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> 10026 23871<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> 125.255.112.254 (metric 25) from 210.23.158.70 (210.23.158.70)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 400, valid, internal, best<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Community: 7543:1050 7543:1150 7543:1300 7543:1372 7543:2200 10026:4200 10026:33036 10026:40671<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> 10026 23871<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> 210.23.158.70 (metric 25) from 210.23.158.71 (210.23.158.71)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Origin IGP, metric 0, localpref 400, valid, internal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Community: 7543:1050 7543:1150 7543:1300 7543:1372 7543:2200 10026:4200 10026:33036 10026:40671<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> Originator: 210.23.158.70, Cluster list: 210.23.158.71, 0.0.1.164<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"'Times New Roman'","serif"'>Good luck.</span></span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre
style='-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px;-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px'><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a
href="mailto:Skeeve@eintellego.net">Skeeve@eintellego.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The AFP is now
involved - so let's see what happens now.<br>
<br>
I must say, the AFP agent understood exactly what the issue was, BGP and all.
Very impressed.<br>
<br>
<br>
...Skeeve (from the Gorillaz concert in Melbourne)<br>
<br>
-- <br>
>From the Blackberry Bold 9700 of Skeeve Stevens</span><br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>: Matt Hope [mailto:<a
href="mailto:matt.hope@nicta.com.au" target="_blank">matt.hope@nicta.com.au</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent</b>: Saturday, December 11, 2010 09:51 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Subject</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>: Re: [AusNOG] Urgent - Pacnet NOC contact (with BGP
clue) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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If you, or your customer is a AusCERT member, then this is likely something
they can help with - if only to assist with legal proceedings.<br>
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AusCERT do have a 24x7 members-only contact line, members can see the details
here: <a href="https://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=5141" target="_blank">https://www.auscert.org.au/render.html?it=5141</a><br>
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- Matt<br>
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On 10/12/10 19:59, Skeeve Stevens wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#244061'>So, to update.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#244061'>After finally getting a Pacnet engineer who understood
BGP and the issue (and was referring to my initial email to AusNOG), the
engineer was instructed by his boss (don’t have a name) to tell me to
call APNIC.... but couldn’t tell me what they expected APNIC to do.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#244061'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#244061'>I informed the Pacnet engineer (Ramon) that if they keep
allowing AINS to announce the ranges (see below) then they are party to the
Denial of Service that is going on and in turn are committing a criminal act as
well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='color:#244061'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:#244061'>Btw... the ranges I noted: <a
href="http://180.189.136.0/22" target="_blank">180.189.136.0/22</a> and <a
href="http://175.45.144.0/20" target="_blank">175.45.144.0/20</a> are being
announced by AINS as /24’s for maximum disruption effect.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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