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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sorry all – was in the car in transit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yes, the space being announce does indeed belong to my customer
and is PI. All details on APNIC records attest to this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>At the moment it looks like they are not announcing it into
Pipe, but their upstream PACNET is... which btw, I do not blame Pacnet for,
they are just doing what they’re customer asked.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Someone asked if the management of the ISP knew... yes they do,
and likely asked for it to be done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The provider was asked this morning to stop announcing the
ranges and they directly refused.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The annoying thing was the provider disconnected my customer
without notice – before or after - at 5pm, and then refused to take any
calls in relation to it.... but I think discussions are now happening and we
will see what happens in the next hour..... 22 hours of downtime so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Someone asked to name and shame... well, if it comes to that I
will, but only if needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In the billing dispute, there are two sides to every story, and
I am not in any way suggesting my customer is without fault, or the provider
is... I am just dealing with a route poisoning situation that no matter what
the business issues are – this is an action that NO provider anywhere should
do to interfere with routes on the internet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>skeeve@eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / skype://skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; facebook.com/eintellego<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#002060'>- Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade - Arista - Allied
Telesis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Matthew Moyle-Croft
[mailto:mmc@internode.com.au] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 12 November 2010 2:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Hostile act by an Australian ISP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yeah,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Def. more specifics if you can. I'm assuming
the space is definitely PI space?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>MMC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 12/11/2010, at 1:39 PM, James Paussa wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Depending on the size of the subnets you could always try
advertising more<br>
specific routes than the hostile ISP, of course if they are on this list<br>
they might cotton onto it. ;)<br>
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-James.<br>
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On Fri, November 12, 2010 12:17 pm, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ok briefly,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>A customer of ours is multi-homed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>There has been a breakdown in the relationship with one of
their suppliers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>due to a billing dispute and their interconnection has been
shut down.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This I do not have a problem with - its up to them to
resolve it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>But, due to my customer having another upstream, this
supplier is<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>announcing some of my customers ranges into their upstream
(Pacnet) and<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Pipe peering - essentially poisoning their routing and
damage their<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>ability to function.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The supplier never previously announced the ranges as they were
announced<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>by my customers routers, so they've maliciously started
announcing them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This, in my opinion is equivalent to denial-of-service due
to a commercial<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>dispute.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>My next steps are to contact their upstreams and inform them
the provider<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>does not have the permission to announce these ranges and to
please stop<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>them announcing them. I will then contact Pipe to have
them do the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Anyone have any other ideas?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>From the Blackberry Bold 9700 of Skeeve Stevens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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color:black'>Level 5, 150 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia<br>
Email: <a href="mailto:mmc@internode.com.au">mmc@internode.com.au</a>
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Mobile: +61-419-900-366<br>
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