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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dear Matt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your feedback on the Juniper MX 80 ! Very interesting with regards to hardware Netflow (jflow) not currently being supported by the MX 80… this was something I was unaware of ! I Guess that where the MX 240 has its advantage having dedicated hardware for DPC functions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>So the million dollar question, how are you finding the ASR’s ? How was your experience with Cisco ?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Kindest Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James Braunegg<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>W:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 1300 769 972 | <b>M:</b> 0488 997 207 | <b>D:</b> (03) 9751 7616</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>E:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>james.braunegg@micron21.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> | <b>ABN:</b> 85 126 029 203 <br><br><img border=0 width=250 height=39 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB5DD4.4D820E50" alt="Description: Description: Description: M21.jpg"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span lang=EN-AU style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This message is intended for the addressee named above. 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If you have received this message in error please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Moor<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1004 vs Juniper MX 80<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>To be honest, no real idea. LNS isn't in our requirements, so I never asked/looked. I would suppose it depends on whether or not the LNS work is done in the ASICs or not. They seem to be very efficient and pumping through packets, whilst the general purpose CPU doesn't seem to be very powerful.<br><br>For the record, Juniper indicated that hardware netflow is on the roadmap, but not within the (short) time frames we were looking at.<br><br>- Matt<br><br>On 26/09/10 2:55 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Matt,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>So what would you think of the box as an LNS (when the code arrives) and Netflow is not necessary (done elsewhere – at the border).</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>...Skeeve</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:#002060'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Skeeve Stevens, CEO</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net">skeeve@eintellego.net</a> / <a href="http://www.eintellego.net">www.eintellego.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 / <a href="skype://skeeve">skype://skeeve</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve">www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve</a> ; facebook.com/eintellego</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>--</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#002060'>- Juniper - HP Networking - CIsco - Arista -</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color blue'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a> [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Moor<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 26 September 2010 1:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Cisco ASR 1004 vs Juniper MX 80</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We just went through exactly the same decision process, and ended up purchasing ASR1004s with ESP10s and the 8x1Gb card. These were more expensive than the MX80s, but the killer was that the MX80 lacked hardware netflow support - limiting real-world throughput (with netflow enabled and a 1:1 sample rate) to ~400Mb/s.<br><br>A pity, because as you say, the MX80 looks like a terrific box on paper, and I have a strong preference towards how Juniper manages configuration change (commit, etc). I think we'll be happy with the ASRs, though - they're a nice platform, and the RP2 looks to be very quick.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Matt<br><br>On 23/09/10 12:34 PM, James Braunegg wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hey guys,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We are looking at replacing two of our pop site’s edge routers and after all the discussions this week on the Cisco 6500 platform on why/not to use it I thought this would be a nice follow up post.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Our requirements for this installation are simple: we want control and stability, and we only need 10 x 1 gb Ethernet interfaces max at this time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We are looking at 4 x Cisco ASR 1004 would be configured with 2 x 5 port gig interface card (40GB total system capacity, 20Mpps)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Or<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We are looking at 4 x Juniper MX 80 which comes with 48 x 1gb ports and 4 x 10gb ports (I believe) <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Juniper markets the MX 80 as twice the performance at half the price (80GB total system capacity, 65Mpps)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The way I see it, it’s now really a Cisco vs Juniper argument. Years ago I loved Juniper the SSG platform which was fantastic and never missed a beat, although the new Juniper SRX platform has left me really questioning Juniper on why they would release a platform with countless bugs and issues.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>These Juniper issues have implanted fear in my mind and questioning if it’s just a product line issue (i.e. the SRX) or a Juniper issue in general. But on paper the Juniper MX 80 looks fantastic!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I would really love to hear some technical information or even better field information on pros and cons for each platform, arguments both for and against each. I’m sure Cisco has their fair share of issues also… so let’s discuss!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Kindest Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James Braunegg<br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>W:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> 1300 769 972 | <b>M:</b> 0488 997 207 | <b>D:</b> (03) 9751 7616</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>E:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:james.braunegg@micron21.com"><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>james.braunegg@micron21.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> | <b>ABN:</b> 85 126 029 203 <br><br><img border=0 width=250 height=39 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CB5DD4.4D820E50" alt="Description: Description: Description: M21.jpg"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>This message is intended for the addressee named above. 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