<html><head><base href="x-msg://2848/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Alex,<div>What do you actually need to do? </div><div><br></div><div>MMC</div><div><br><div><div>On 19/09/2010, at 2:14 PM, Alex Pinto wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Roland<o:p></o:p></font></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri"></font></font> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Thanks for your comments; I was unaware of the netflow “flaws” in this product I can see from a security point of view this would make visibility on the network on what’s going on very hard to see…<o:p></o:p></font></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri"></font></font> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">So your recommendation is to choose a more feature rich platform and offset some of the performance options found on the 6500/7600 platform.<o:p></o:p></font></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri"></font></font> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">So how much are ASR1ks with a handful of gig interfaces ? or the GSR / CSR-1 platform you speak of<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>?<o:p></o:p></font></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri"></font></font> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3" face="Calibri"><span style="line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; ">I’d like to go Juniper, but the budget just does not allow for it.</span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3" face="Calibri"></font> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 10pt; margin-left: 0in; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">Alex<o:p></o:p></font></font></p><br> <br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rdobbins@arbor.net">rdobbins@arbor.net</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>> Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 03:47:47 +0000<br>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Cisco 6500 with Sup 720 3BXL - Good routing platform ??<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:15 PM, Alex Pinto wrote:<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > So what’s the catch ??<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Broken NetFlow that's operationally useless; arcane and irksome ACL construction limitations to avoid overflowing TCAM and thus software switching traffic and thus self-DoSing the box; uRPF mode settings for the whole box only, rather than on a per-port basis.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> The NetFlow issues alone preclude this box (and the 7600) from serious consideration as an edge platform with currently-available hardware.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Instead, I'd suggest looking at multiple ASR1Ks, at ASR9K (if it meets your feature requirements), an N7K (if it meets your feature requirements), a small GSR, or a small CRS-1.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I urge you to avoid 6500 or 7600 as an edge platform at all costs.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> Roland Dobbins <<a href="mailto:rdobbins@arbor.net">rdobbins@arbor.net</a>> // <<a href="http://www.arbornetworks.com">http://www.arbornetworks.com</a>><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Sell your computer and buy a guitar.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> AusNOG mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><br><span><ATT00001..txt></span></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div>
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