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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We use Tandberg Edge 95 MXP devices at work, and they are marketed as “HD” – over a 1.5Mbps SHDSL connection we are able to stream very decent video quality to a 55” Plasma screen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With a 5Mbps stream (500KB/s) from a VPLS link between Sydney & Perth, we can get incredibly sharp picture quality.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree that pushing NBN as a solution for Video conferencing is rubbish, because in reality you can get the bandwidth to run that now over Copper (Annex M, Bonded DSL, SHDSL, even possible over 3G with a good signal).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As far as price goes though, even the Edge 95 MXP devices are hideously expensive – Tandberg/Cisco have a long way to go before these solutions are at a price point for small businesses before they would even consider a VC solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Grahame Lynch<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 7 September 2010 5:12 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lincoln Dale<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net; Bevan Slattery<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Katter backs Coalition - Windsor backs Gillard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Honest question here Lincoln.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Why does it have to be HD?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Ive done alot of work in television broadcasting and have some firm views about this (and have seen first hand the difficulties going HD creates for professional TV productions in terms of production design, costuming, lighting and make up). It adds complexity, and certainly isnt necessary for personal communications. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>CNN now happily puts to air footage from Skype videocasts and satphones that work on 500k or less. It's not great and obviously broadcast quality video is desirable. But if CNN can rough it why is HD videoconferencing so essential for normal people?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 7 September 2010 16:06, Lincoln Dale <<a href="mailto:ltd@cisco.com">ltd@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On 07/09/2010, at 6:53 PM, Paseka, Tomas wrote:<br>> So when is Telepresense gonna be at a price point that the average<br>> business can afford to buy it?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>certainly Cisco has "high end" with a range of products - and certainly it has a "high end" price to go with it.<br><br>but its not to say that there aren't alternate offerings - either from the company i work for (who relatively recently also owns Tandberg) or others.<br><br>likely that your next phone handset will have semi-decent video if it does not already.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>><br>> Or any other video conferencing solution for that point.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>little more than a couple of years ago, "HD video cameras" used to be incredibly expensive. so did "prosumer" digital cameras.<br>i'd expect the same to happen with any electronic goods as they become commodity goods due to increased demand driving increased supply.<br><br>a lot of the 'enablers' for this are already happening - be it the CMOS video sensors in volume or the DSPs to process HD video in system-on-chip at low power levels.<br><br>you can thank multiple reasons for this. the automobile industry is a huge reason. so is security/surveilance industry. and of course Apple/Android/(insert_handset_manufacturer_here).<br><br><br>cheers,<br><span style='color:#888888'><br>lincoln.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AusNOG mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" target="_blank">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>